All
Members
Companies
Blog
Forums
Podcast
Webinars
    User Log in  /  Sign up
  • Forums
    Newest Posts Trending Discussions Followed Forums Real Estate News & Current Events General Landlording & Rental Properties Buying & Selling Real Estate Deal Analysis See All
  • Education

    Read

    BiggerPockets Blog BPInsights: Expert Analysis Guides Glossary Reviews Member Blogs

    Watch

    Webinars Video Library Financial Independence Blueprint Intro to Real Estate: Rentals

    Listen

    BiggerPockets Real Estate Podcast BiggerPockets Money Podcast BiggerPockets Business Podcast Real Estate Rookie Podcast Daily Podcast (Audio Blog)

    Topics

    Business Operations Finance Finding Deals Property Management Property Types Strategy
  • Network

    Recommended Vendors

    Real Estate Agents Mortgage Lenders Companies Hard Money Lenders Contractors Investment Companies

    Search

    Members Events Jobs
  • Tools

    Calculators

    Rental Property Fix and Flip BRRRR Rehab Estimator
    Wholesaling Mortgage Payment 70% Rule Airbnb

    Services

    BPInsights: Property Insights Tenant Screening Property Management Lease Agreement Packages

    New Feature

    BPInsights (beta)

    Quickly analyze a property address or ZIP Code to compare your rent in your neighborhood.

    Analyze a property
  • Find Deals
    Real Estate Listings Find Foreclosures External Link Ads, Jobs, and Other
  • Bookstore

    Real Estate Books

    Profit Like The Pros Bidding to Buy See all books

    Featured Book

    BiggerPockets Wealth Magazine book cover
    BiggerPockets Wealth Magazine

    Written by financial journalists and data scientists, get 60+ pages of newsworthy content, expert-driven advice, and data-backed research written in a clear way to help you navigate your tough investment decisions in an ever-changing financial climate! Subscribe today and get the Oct/Nov issue delivered to your door!

    Get the Magazine
  • Pricing
Log In Sign up
User
Quick search links
Podcast Hard Money Lenders Books Washington
ForumsArrowCalifornia Real Estate Q&A Discussion ForumArrowWill you rent to this situation?
  • Newest Posts
    • Newest Posts
    • Unanswered Discussions
  • Trending
    • Top Discussions
    • Trending Discussions
  • Browse Forums
Search Nova
Create post

Will you rent to this situation?

14 Replies

  • Share on Facebook
  • Share on Twitter
  • Share on LinkedIn
Rotate Log in or sign up to reply
user profile avatar
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 5

Bei He
Rental Property Investor from San Jose, CA

posted about 1 month ago

I have a condo at San Jose. I got an application from an older couple (50s, not married, with a adult high school kid). Would like to get some suggestions/opinion whether I should move forward with them.

Pros:

- Decent income. Almost 7x of rent. They move because the woman got a job in Tesla (verified)

- My current tenant showed the place (she is a really good tenant but need to relocate to out of California) and said the woman is really nice and sounds like a good fit. 

- Older, quiet, my previous downstairs neighbor is also an older couple -- the last thing I want to do to them is to have some renters party all the time which will absolutely impact my old neighbor. 

- I got both of their previous landlord rental reference, said they are good tenant. The woman very honest told me she recent have one rent paid 2 days late with late fee due to all the transferring, relocating, new job vs. actually her landlord didn't say anything about this. I feel she is honest. 

    However, my concern is credit score. The woman has only 569, the man is 670. 

    - Woman did told me her credit score may not above 650 (which I posted as requirement of rent ad), but come out even lower. She explained it's related to her divorce a few years ago still not sorting out yet. I don't quite understand the detail. Strange thing is her credit available show $300, vs. used $337. credit usage >100%.. 

    - Past due history (looks like not rent related), the woman has 12.63%. even the man credit score not great. 3.83% past due. 

    I'm hesitating whether move forward. The woman offered to have one of her parents who has much better credit score as co-signer. I think at least that will bring the average to >650. Then I actually will have 4 adult on the lease be responsible. (the couple, their adult kid, and good credit parent). -- from here I feel they do like the place and seriously about renting it. 

    Any suggestions?

    Rotate Log in or sign up to reply
    user profile avatar
    • Posts 18
    • Votes 5

    Bei He
    Rental Property Investor from San Jose, CA

    replied about 1 month ago

    Also I pulled background check and eviction check of both of them. all clean. 

    Rotate Log in or sign up to reply
    user profile avatar
    • Posts 206
    • Votes 100

    Dennis Maynard
    Real Estate Broker from Los Angeles, CA

    replied about 1 month ago

    Ask for a larger deposit.  You are allowed up to 2X the rent in California.  Make a judgement call on your gut.  

    Rotate Log in or sign up to reply
    user profile avatar
    • Posts 56
    • Votes 15

    Christine Smith

    replied about 1 month ago

    Yes, follow your gut. From what I'm reading though they sound like potential great tenants. Some of our best have been those with poor credit. So I wouldn't let a lower score be your only determining factor to not rent to them. I would charge a higher deposit to compensate.

    Rotate Log in or sign up to reply
    user profile avatar
    Check Rosette Top Subjects:
    Tenants, Team, and Single Family
    • Posts 176
    • Votes 43

    Aaron Moayed
    Real Estate Broker from Sacramento, CA

    replied about 1 month ago

    Sounds good to me. Agree on the 2x deposit (believe it’s 3x if furnished). Income and job is good. They seem good. You could someone else that seems better on the credit side and be a nightmare

    Rotate Log in or sign up to reply
    user profile avatar
    Check Rosette Top Subjects:
    Real Estate Finance, Team, and Traditional Financing
    • Posts 210
    • Votes 156

    Brian Larson
    Specialist from San Jose, CA

    replied about 1 month ago

    Yep.  I'd move forward with an increased deposit.  The deposit should mitigate the risk.

    Rotate Log in or sign up to reply
    user profile avatar
    • Posts 18
    • Votes 5

    Bei He
    Rental Property Investor from San Jose, CA

    replied about 1 month ago

    Thanks everyone for the input! For the California max deposit, does that include the pet deposit?

    My original ask is 1x rent + $500 pet deposit. 

    For the max legal deposit I can ask, is that 2x rent + $500 pet deposit or 2x rent including $500 pet deposit?

    Rotate Log in or sign up to reply
    user profile avatar
    Check Rosette Top Subjects:
    Rentals, Real Estate Finance, and Maintenance
    • Posts 7.2K
    • Votes 13K

    Joe Splitrock (Moderator) -
    Rental Property Investor from Sioux Falls, SD

    replied about 1 month ago

    @Bei He I would avoid any personal judgement or gut feeling. Whether she is nice or not should have no bearing on your credit score policy. More importantly, the best con artists and scammers seem like the nicest most honest people. I am not saying she is, just warning you that being nice is immaterial to screening. 

    We usually average credit scores if there is more than one applicant, but that still comes up under 650 in this case. 

    I would dig into the credit report and look specifically at her recent payments over the last 12-24 months. See if she has been making her car payments and credit card payments on time. If the source of her problem is a divorce, it should be in her past. Look for unpaid judgements or seriously delinquent debt. Verify addresses on the credit report match her landlord reference addresses. 

    A cosigner or extra down payment are both options too. 

    Rotate Log in or sign up to reply
    user profile avatar
    Check Rosette Top Subject:
    Team
    • Posts 160
    • Votes 130

    Tina Tsysh
    New to Real Estate from Orange County, CA

    replied about 1 month ago

    Bei, 

    I agree with what other members are suggesting. Look into her credit history in more details, in particular, see if she has been late on previous rent payments. If her reference check says she is a good tenant and another person is willing to co-sign on the lease, I would move forward. Especially since the neighbor downstairs is an older couple as well, you want someone with a similar life style to be their neighbor. 

    Rotate Log in or sign up to reply
    user profile avatar
    • Posts 19
    • Votes 3

    Sharon Wu
    Real Estate Broker from Walnut, CA

    replied about 1 month ago

    To me, the good income and no fraud history goes before the credit.  Bad credit usually gives me a good reason to ask for more deposit.  Make sure you check do your due diligence and verify what they put down on paper is true.  And make sure they have the ability to pay you is more important than just having the good credit.  

    Rotate Log in or sign up to reply
    user profile avatar
    Check Rosette Top Subjects:
    Taxes & Accounting and Maintenance
    • Posts 1.3K
    • Votes 2.5K

    Anish Tolia
    Investor from Singapore

    replied about 1 month ago

    Income is more important than credit in my opinion. Also as long as no evictions and good references from prior landlords I would go ahead if they seem like nice people. 

    Rotate Log in or sign up to reply
    user profile avatar
    • Posts 9
    • Votes 3

    Brett Antisdel
    Flipper/Rehabber

    replied about 1 month ago

    @Bei He

    You said you’re current tenant showed the place to them. If you’re still on the fence then I would set up a second meeting to see for yourself. This would give you a better idea if you choose to go with your gut versus the numbers.

    Rotate Log in or sign up to reply
    user profile avatar
    Check Rosette Top Subjects:
    Rentals, Team, and Traditional Financing
    • Posts 279
    • Votes 360

    Martin Neal
    Rental Property Investor from Chicago, IL

    replied about 1 month ago

    @Bei He this is a tricky one, I would double check and make sure they haven’t been in eviction court and who would be responsible for paying the rent. If they make 7x the income, I would check the credit report to see what’s not being paid too. It can give you a better picture of what to do.

    Rotate Log in or sign up to reply
    user profile avatar
    • Posts 39
    • Votes 16

    Erik Nosich
    Real Estate Investor from Anchorage, Alaska

    replied about 1 month ago

    @Bei He I would get 2x the deposit, ask for the co signers and be sure to get everyone’s social security number. If it goes bad, you can go after their credit when you get a judgement against them.

    Additionally, watch them very closely the first few months. First violation, put a notice of violation. It could be noise, parking or whatever. I have learned of you are strict in the beginning and demonstrate that you are going to enforce all the rules, they tend to fall in line and follow all the rules.

    Rotate Log in or sign up to reply
    user profile avatar
    • Posts 18
    • Votes 5

    Bei He
    Rental Property Investor from San Jose, CA

    replied about 1 month ago

    Thanks everyone's input. I end up gave them 2 choice, either 2x deposit, or get a co-singer to bring the average credit score above 650. They chose the 2x deposit. 

    Signed the contract, tenant move in 2/5. Will update later see how it goes =) 

    Rotate Log in or sign up to reply
    • 1
    Resources Read, see, and learn more!
    Link Real Estate Investment Calculators
    Link BiggerPockets Blog
    Link Path to Purchase
    Link Mortgage Loans
    Link Find a Contractor
    Link Real Estate Agents
    Link Hard Money Lenders
    Link Real Estate Listings

    Top Contributors

    Rick Albert
    Rick Albert
    Los Angeles, CA
    8.33
    Score
    Bill Exeter
    Bill Exeter
    San Diego, CA
    6.57
    Score
    Dustin Allen
    Dustin Allen
    South Lake Tahoe, CA
    6.57
    Score
    Will Barnard
    Will Barnard
    Santa Clarita, CA
    4.81
    Score
    Jason Hsiao
    Jason Hsiao
    Pasadena, CA
    4.14
    Score

    California Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Trending Discussions

    • Personal / RE knowledgeable accountant in the SF Bay Area????
      6 Replies
    • ADU San Francisco Bay Area (San Jose)
      22 Replies
    • California CPA Recommendation
      7 Replies
    • Los Angeles Multifamily House Hack
      17 Replies
    Log in Sign up

    Log in

    Forgot password?

    If you signed up for BiggerPockets via Facebook, you can log in with just one click!

    Log in with Facebook

    Or
    btn_google_dark_normal_ios Created with Sketch. Continue with Google

    Let's get started

    We just need a few details to get you set up and ready to go!

    Use your real name

    Use at least 8 characters. Using a phrase of random words (like: paper Dog team blue) is secure and easy to remember.

    By signing up, you indicate that you agree to the BiggerPockets Terms & Conditions.

    Or
    btn_google_dark_normal_ios Created with Sketch. Continue with Google

    Why create an account?

    Receive a free digital download of The Ultimate Beginner's Guide to Real Estate Investing.

    Connect with 1,000,000+ real estate investors!

    Find local real estate meetups and events in your area.

    Start analyzing real estate properties, we do the math for you.

    It's free!

    Explore

    • Membership
    • Community
    • Education
    • Marketplace
    • Tools
    • FilePlace
    • REI Resources
    • Perks
    • Glossary
    • Reviews
    • iOS App
    • Android App

    Company

    • About Us
    • Press
    • Advertising
    • Careers
    • Stats
    • Contact Us

    Important

    • Editorial Guidelines
    • Terms of Use
    • Rules
    • Privacy
    • FAQ

    Social

    • Facebook
    • Twitter
    • YouTube
    • Instagram
    © 2004-2021 BiggerPockets, LLC. All Rights Reserved.