Las Vegas Shooter, a wealthy real estate investor?

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From what I have read, the las vegas shooter was a multimillionaire real estate investor.  He was an accountant and invested in apartments according to nypost.  What are your thoughts on this guy being a successful investor/nutjob. Did his success as a real estate investor have anything to do with his calculated massacre?  He clearly focused on efficiency and scale (death toll: 58, worst mass shooting in US history).  I know this is a dark analogy/topic and I don't mean to offend anyone or sound insensitive, just looking to spark a debate.

NO relationship what so ever between the two unless he was a sociopath. Otherwise no direct correlation to what he did for a living.

The majority of the most powerful business persons in the world are  often sociopaths. It allows for a much easier decision making process and therefor more likelihood of success without having the handicap of emotion. 

I have heard of the sociopath/businessman theories and think that is highly possible.  I wouldn't be so quick to say that there are no other correlations though.  He had a huge arsenal of weapons in both his house and hotel room.  Surely they were purchased with real estate money.

"Surely they were purchased with real estate money."

Or gambling profits or interest from other investments. Source of income is irrelevant. It is not how you earn a income it is your mental state of mind that determines your path. Huge arsenals are not uncommon.

His reasoning and the underlying cause are entirely separate issues. As unfortunate as it is mass murders are inevitable and will continue to happen for that reason.

So far, no evident motives for this madman. Where or how he got the money is irrelevant. Most of the guns he owned were not expensive relative to income, etc. In fact, most every-day working Joes can afford to purchase what he had. In my firearms business, an "inexpensive" machine gun starts around 7K. Some of them sell in the high 30K range or more. Your average working guy cannot afford the high end guns. Most of my customers for machine guns are professionals and if I was to break them down by occupation, there are more doctors than any other category. This nutjob planned this out far in advance. I doubt he had any close friends. He was mostly a loner and was anti-social. It is VERY sad to see the death and destruction caused by one crazy person. It won't be the last, and their weapon of choice may be firearms, explosives, or even cars. There is no way to stop these types of individuals except that often law enforcement finds out in advance and stops them before they harm others. This guy stayed under the radar.

@Thomas S. gambling profits my ***, how likely are people to make profits gambling.  Less likely than 50% hence why casinos make a ton of money.  Also I agree that source of income is irrelevant I was just providing an example, maybe a bad one, of possible connections.

I wouldn't say he focused on efficiency, rather opportunity. If you look at what he did overall he wasn't that efficient. He was a coward and just sprayed bullets into a huge crowd.

I think one thing that people don't understand about guns is that some people enjoy them (for various reasons). People love to associate a large collection with harmful intentions, but it's not much different than other things. Some people collect guns, some collect stamps, some collect knives, some collect cars.... they all have their reasons but their collections shouldn't make them a "good" or "bad" person.


You can't legislate the crazy out of someone nor can you always explain their actions.

Hopefully we'll uncover the reason this man was picked to execute this mayhem. I doubt his profession or income stream will have had anything to do with it. 

I wouldn’t factor how brave he was into efficiency. The bottom line is he took out 58 people, more than any other shooter. How is that not efficient? Also I think a lot of gun enthusiasts enjoy the powerful feeling that shooting a gun gives you. Power is also something that I think some real estate investors seek and enjoy.

Originally posted by @Trenton Tabor :

I wouldn’t factor how brave he was into efficiency. The bottom line is he took out 58 people, more than any other shooter. How is that not efficient? Also I think a lot of gun enthusiasts enjoy the powerful feeling that shooting a gun gives you. Power is also something that I think some real estate investors seek and enjoy.

 Power? I like the income. 

Originally posted by @Trenton Tabor :

I wouldn’t factor how brave he was into efficiency. The bottom line is he took out 58 people, more than any other shooter. How is that not efficient? Also I think a lot of gun enthusiasts enjoy the powerful feeling that shooting a gun gives you. Power is also something that I think some real estate investors seek and enjoy.

 There were 22k people at this concert and not all of them died from being shot by this coward. They died trying to escape.

He shot over 200 rds at a security guard through a door on the same floor of his hotel... that is not efficient.

Originally posted by @Trenton Tabor :

John Thedford what is income if not power

 Income is the ability to pay bills without worry. Income is the ability to pay for a child's education. Income is stability. 

Income is money and money is power. Everyone knows that. People are often motivated by money. Motivating behaviors is power.

Originally posted by @Matt K. :
Originally posted by @Trenton Tabor:

 There were 22k people at this concert and not all of them died from being shot by this coward. They died trying to escape.

He shot over 200 rds at a security guard through a door on the same floor of his hotel... that is not efficient.

This is not true. I don't know if any of the deaths have been confirmed to be caused by stampede.

There is a lot of evidence that supports that once you reach a certain level of income/predictability, you reach a level of happiness. The crazy thing is that it is a lot lower than what most of us expect. 

Bottom line though is that everyone is different. I think that's why there are an awful lot of shows that are about the why. When you look at your why, I think it forces you to look introspectively instead of at the Jones's or the rat race. It seems to me that a lot of the millennial podcasts especially those with women are so far from the rat race and are about travel, boats, lifestyle choices. 

There are a number of things that we could all look at with this particular situation: race, gender, age, socioeconomic status, mental illness, politics, licensing, etc. If you're all interested in talking more about the situation or learning/thinking more about this tragedy, Joe Rogan's recent podcasts especially with Alonzo Bodon were quite enlightening. (Sorry to plug someone else's podcast). Solve the problem in front of you is one of my favorite lessons and I thank Tina Fey for bringing it to us. 

Originally posted by @Dillon Leider :
Originally posted by @Matt K.:
Originally posted by @Trenton Tabor:

 There were 22k people at this concert and not all of them died from being shot by this coward. They died trying to escape.

He shot over 200 rds at a security guard through a door on the same floor of his hotel... that is not efficient.

This is not true. I don't know if any of the deaths have been confirmed to be caused by stampede.

 Does this seriously seem realistic to you? That out of a crowd of 22k+ people, 500+ taken to hospitals, the only people who passed were shot? 

why would success in real estate ever equate to mass murder. I have yet to fine one member of our half  million group to be a known mass murderer.

That's like blaming the occupation of any murderer.

@Trenton Tabor. Money as a power base has become increasingly problematic at best. It's turning many people into paranoid schizophrenics. You don't want money. You want what money can buy. On that basis, once it becomes an end to itself, them you become its prisoner. First define freedom for yourself, then utilize all available tools to achieve it. Money is one tool. 

Hopefully there will some assets to freeze and hold for victims and their families.

Someone wanted to 'out-do' Virginia Tech I bet.  That's been the trend anyway, outlined in Malcom Gladwell's book Tipping Point.

If instead of focusing on how many he killed and that it was more than that shooting and kind of glorifying the number shot - we/the media focused on what a coward this guy was, he'd have less followers and imitators down the line.  

Public shaming.  It works in other countries.

Picture this news report; "An impotent loser coward killed a bunch of innocent strangers for no reason today before puss*ing out and killing himself.  What a dirtbag.  The government will now freeze all assets of his family going forward for 3 generation to help the victims."

How many wannabe's would show up to do the same thing later if we treated them like this after the deed?

@David Zheng I am not proposing that the occupation of real estate investing is related to mass shootings. What I am saying is that maybe some traits do carry over such as the hunger for power or the sociopath theory that was mentioned earlier which is often correlated to business men/women

There is a formula or "recipe" that exists in a social environment which leads to these types of actions on the part of their citizenry. It is not one single ingredient but a collection which must be perfect for the "fit" to trigger the events.

Figuring out the why of a shooter and understanding the mental state of a shooter will not prevent the next occurrence. It is inevitable and unstoppable. The recipe is in place, the individual is out there, it only requires the next participant to tip over the edge.

The U.S. has the right recipe which is why statistically they have the highest number of mass killings in the world. You can not stop it, change it or be prepared for it. 

The only thing a shooter desires is fame. Albeit negative it is still fame and of most importance to the iindividual.

Originally posted by @Steve Vaughan :

Hopefully there will some assets to freeze and hold for victims and their families.

Someone wanted to 'out-do' Virginia Tech I bet.  That's been the trend anyway, outlined in Malcom Gladwell's book Tipping Point.

If instead of focusing on how many he killed and that it was more than that shooting and kind of glorifying the number shot - we/the media focused on what a coward this guy was, he'd have less followers and imitators down the line.  

Public shaming.  It works in other countries.

Picture this news report; "An impotent loser coward killed a bunch of innocent strangers for no reason today before puss*ing out and killing himself.  What a dirtbag.  The government will now freeze all assets of his family going forward for 3 generation to help the victims."

How many wannabe's would show up to do the same thing later if we treated them like this after the deed?

 A motion has been filed to freeze his assets.

@John Thedford i think your theory has a lot of holes in it but let’s say you’re right. If there is a “recipe” that cultivated all the mass shootings in the US why wouldn’t you be able to alter the ingredients to be more like other countries with less shootings.

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