MultiFamily Live In, Rennovate with Tenants?
4 Replies
Desalina G.
from Chicago, IL
posted about 1 month ago
Hi BP community. We are a looking at a few 2 unit properties on the north side. I would owner occupy one unit. Many of these buildings already have tenants. I'm hoping you can help me answer a few questions that have come up for me -- In particular a property that has one unit vacant and the other with tenants.
1. What can I ask for to ensure there are good tenants in the building? I will work with my agent, but given the Covid eviction moratorium I'm a little weary.
2. I know I need to notify the tenants in writing that I am the new owner. Anything else you would suggest to ensure a smooth transition?
3. We would want to renovate and then move into the vacant unit. This would include re-doing the roof, replacing windows, some demo/replacement of kitchen/bath but no "major" plumbing/electrical. What are the risks of doing this while we have tenants in the building? How would you notify them? Would you offer a rent discount? My contractor said there would be noise during demo and possibly some periods without water while they replaced bathroom fixtures, etc.
4. How do you proactively address any potential issues in the tenant occupied unit? The current owners have been cited by the city a few times for lack of smoke detectors and some electrical issues (cover of an outlet missing, etc.). This was 4-5 years ago so I'm not sure if it was current tenants. Would you do a walk through with the RTLO or another checklist to ensure compliance?
5. Should I just offer cash for keys or cash to break their lease? Wondering if this is the less stressful route. We could then move into that unit while the other was being rehabbed and have more time to check it out and address any issues, make minor fixes etc.
Ron S.
Rental Property Investor from Chicago, IL
replied about 1 month ago
I recently went through this same experience, so I'll answer in the way I was thinking. Probably worth discussing with your agent or lawyer for more formal answers.
1. I only asked for the rent roll to ensure they were paying on time consistently. I think you can also ask for the initial background check, but I didn't because I couldn't really act on any information in there.
2. I just sent a welcome email with my contact information.
3. I waited until the existing tenants moved out before starting the noisy rehab. I asked the contractors to prioritize the loudest work and whatever would need water shutoffs. Then when I got new tenants, I warned them of some remaining noise occurring and it wasn't an issue. I also looked for ways to improve the tenants unit at the same time to make them less likely to complain -- for example, adding a video doorbell and a Nest thermostat.
4. I would proactively ask the tenants if they have any issues they'd like to see addressed. It may set a welcoming tone as well.
5. That's definitely a route to consider. We didn't go that route because we had the time to wait for their lease to expire. We let them know 90 days in advance that we wouldn't be renewing and they ended up leaving 2 months early, which allowed us to start sooner than planned.
Crystal Smith
Real Estate Broker from Chicago, IL
replied about 1 month ago
Originally posted by @Desalina G. :Hi BP community. We are a looking at a few 2 unit properties on the north side. I would owner occupy one unit. Many of these buildings already have tenants. I'm hoping you can help me answer a few questions that have come up for me -- In particular a property that has one unit vacant and the other with tenants.
1. What can I ask for to ensure there are good tenants in the building? I will work with my agent, but given the Covid eviction moratorium I'm a little weary.
Once your offer is accepted you should request the rent register along with the accompanying bank statements to support the register. The rent register should show the history of the tenants payments & the bank statements should support the register.
2. I know I need to notify the tenants in writing that I am the new owner. Anything else you would suggest to ensure a smooth transition?
The notification should include any changes in processes regarding how you will collect rent and location for deposit of rent if you're going to use snail mail for rent.
3. We would want to renovate and then move into the vacant unit. This would include re-doing the roof, replacing windows, some demo/replacement of kitchen/bath but no "major" plumbing/electrical. What are the risks of doing this while we have tenants in the building? How would you notify them? Would you offer a rent discount? My contractor said there would be noise during demo and possibly some periods without water while they replaced bathroom fixtures, etc.
You should provide the tenants in writing with the exact times of day for noise & when the water will be turned off. If the water is turned off for more than one day then you'll have to offer the tenants an alternate location to stay during that period. In order to provide the tenants with notifications in writing you will need something from the contractor in writing regarding the times of day they can work & the schedule for the demo plus water turn off. I would not offer a rent discount
4. How do you proactively address any potential issues in the tenant occupied unit? The current owners have been cited by the city a few times for lack of smoke detectors and some electrical issues (cover of an outlet missing, etc.). This was 4-5 years ago so I'm not sure if it was current tenants. Would you do a walk through with the RTLO or another checklist to ensure compliance?
Once per year you should inspect the unit or arrange for it to be inspected.
5. Should I just offer cash for keys or cash to break their lease? Wondering if this is the less stressful route. We could then move into that unit while the other was being rehabbed and have more time to check it out and address any issues, make minor fixes etc.
Cash for keys only works if the tenant has some place to go, otherwise why would they leave. Even if you offer it the tenant can take as much time as they want to find a place and still be compliant with their lease. In my opinion you'll have to do more than offer cash for keys; You'll have to help them find a place and maybe even be some of the associated fees for them to move into the new place. (i.e. that would be cash for keys)
Andrew Holmes
Rental Property Investor from Chicago, IL
replied about 1 month ago
1. As a rule unless you have a proven background from the previous owner of the tenants very bad idea to adopt old tenants if you have not done the homework on them. You should be weary of tenants during covid because you cannot evict them.
2. Try to verify the payment history from the current owner before buying. If you can get a copy of canceled checks that would the best so you know they are paying on time and have a history of that. If they are paying late or other issue make sure they are out before you close. If they are bad tenants you may buy the building and if you serve them a notice and they do not leave there is nothing you can do at least till Nov of 2021.
3. This totally depends on the tenants. How much they are going to get disturbed. If they are working from home etc. Most tenants are going to get irritated after a bit if there is a lot of construction going on. Plus do you plan on pulling permit. You do not want them to call the city and open up another can of worms if you had not pulled permits. Just things to consider. Also if the units are empty you may be able to renovate and find good quality well screened tenants and get better rents.
4. Yes that is important so the tenants know who you are and you get a chance to understand who they are as well. Plus you can inspect the property to know what you are getting yourself into.
5. If you are going to offer cash for keys or anything else negotiate that before hand. Do not close unless the unit is empty and do not give the tenants the money until you get the key and the unit is empty. Of course this all needs to be coordinated with the current owner and should be a part of your negotiations and attorney approval. Do not close if the conditions you agreed to are not met. You have a contract and if they owner has agreed they are in breach of contract. All of this needs to be negotiated on paper before hand so just keep that in mind.
John Warren
Real Estate Agent from Riverside, IL
replied about 1 month ago
@Desalina G. you have had some good advice on here already. I am going to provide a counterpoint for you. If you are going to grow a portfolio, you will end up inheriting tenants at some point. I recently acquired a 22 unit in Cicero and a 7 unit in Berwyn. I had minimal due diligence docs on the 22 unit but was willing to take a chance knowing that I could have quite a few issues. So far, I have one tenant who hasn't paid and he is working with me to find a relief organization.
It is possible that you could end up with a bum tenant, so you do need to take that into account. In investing there is risk. If you take a building with a tenant in place just know your worst case and be prepared for that to happen. Then when you take over the building, be hands on and a good communicator. That solves a lot of problems.