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Phillip Scalise
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The bank won’t allow me to deed my property into an LLC.

Phillip Scalise
  • Natrona Heights, PA
Posted Sep 20 2019, 12:44

The bank won't allow me to deed my single family rental into an LLC... what should I do next? Just use an umbrella policy until I sell this property and buy a new one that can be deeded into the LLC upon purchase?

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Wayne Brooks#1 Foreclosures Contributor
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Wayne Brooks#1 Foreclosures Contributor
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Replied Sep 20 2019, 12:50

Just buy an umbrella policy and don't worry about it....the LLC thing is over hyped.

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Greg Scott
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Greg Scott
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Replied Sep 20 2019, 12:55

Of course, if you ask they will say 'no' because it could create issues for them later.    Mechanically, you don't need their permission to do it.  However, they have a legal right to call the mortgage due if you did so (although that is a rare thing).

Some people only think about LLCs for defense, but there are actually many lines of defense against a lawsuit.  Here is how I think of it from most basic to most complex:

1) Good management - Don't do stuff to get yourself sued

2) Be nice - Average doctors who are nice get sued less than good doctors who are mean

3) Have insurance - Ideally get $500K or more of liability

4) Have a mortgage - paid off properties are lawsuit magnets

5) Get an umbrella policy - Extend your liability coverage to $1M or $2M

6) Entities - Use of LLCs, trusts, and holding LLCs   How much effort you want to put into this should also reflect your  situation.  For example, if you don't have a lot of net worth, you aren't much of a lawsuit target.  And, you might do things differently for a $50K house than a $5M apartment. 

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Jaysen Medhurst
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Jaysen Medhurst
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  • Greenwich, CT
Replied Oct 3 2019, 12:14

@Phillip Scalise, does the bank still hold the loan or did they sell it to Fannie/Freddie and now just service? Fannie Mae explicitly allows you to move title into a LLC. If they still hold the mortgage, start shopping around for a refi. Then take the terms to your current bank and see if the loss of business doesn't change their mind.

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Tyler Gibson
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Tyler Gibson
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Replied Oct 3 2019, 12:21

@Phillip Scalise you can look up here if Fannie own your loan. 

https://www.knowyouroptions.com/loanlookup

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