Flipping my first house and having a difficult time with the painting. I am using Sherwin Williams products, and regardless of using SuperPaint or the cheaper options, it is taking 3 coats to cover the walls. There was a smoker in the house and I am wondering if this is the cause. However, even the rooms that don't have obvious smoke residue are needing 3 coats. Any thoughts/suggestions?
I see it all the time in this business. First I clean the walls with TSP or TSP substitute. It looks like someone threw coffee on the walls when it runs down after spraying that. Gross. Anyway, then I use a stain/odor blocking primer like Kilz or Bullseye. Then you can top coat with your reg paint.
Thanks for the advice, Michael, I will try out your method.
An ozone generator may be of help as well
Kilz is a flipper's best friend! :) It hides odors and stains.
Get the oil based Kilz, and be sure to follow-up with your regular paint VERY shortly after so that it adheres properly. If you wait to long to paint the regular coat, it may roll down the walls and have trouble adhering to the oil based Kilz.
Hope that helps. Best of luck to you!
I agree, it's more costly but vert effective to use an oil base primer. If you use latex the nicotine will soak through even latex primer paints.
I've had success in using Sherwin Williams Promar 400 Extra white as a base coat on walls and trim in older units an it usually allows me to put just one coat of color.
Hope this helps!
@Nikol Noll I have always used SW Superpaint for my houses. With that said I have not been overly impressed. The wall paint always needs 2 coats, no matter what I paint over (mostly painting over lighter colors). I resorted to using a tinted primer, and STILL need 2 coats. The white door/trim paint actually ends up needing 3 coats, when painting over white primer. This has been consistent in most of my houses (can't remember back to the first one).
Funny thing is we bought some HD paint for our sons bedrooms in out new house (wife did Mario brothers murals on the walls), a light blue base and tons of other colors. The cheapo HD paint covered better than the SW stuff.
Sound like you forget to put a primer coat before painting. Unless the old paint is flat, you need primer.
I'm going through the same thing right now. I'd use Michael's advice -- wash the walls a couple times with TSP + water. I know it is a pain in the *** but it helps a lot. We also tried using a hand-held steam cleaner with a bunch of old rags that we would change out whenever it got saturated (which is pretty quickly) and that helped a lot with the manual labor.
Also use Kilz primer before painting.
That paint require is fairly common among smoke damaged walls. Did you use Kilz or any heavy duty primer as a base? I don't think you can get any with less coats but at least the primer would be cheaper, cover the damage, and then you paint your final color coats over top.
With painting its all about prep. Agree with the others on the tsp just to get grime and stuff off the walls. Then use kilz2 latex primer. Then use a upper mid mid grade brand of paint and you should be fine. Sherwin williams is a good brand. Most people have coverge problems when they dont properly prep, especially if you have big color changes.
All the above suggestions (TSP, oil primer) are good and correct. One thing we do to cut down on an extra coat is to have the paint store tint the primer close to the finish paint color. Been working fine like that for over 10 years of rehabs. NOTE: with the oil base primer, make sure whoever is applying has sufficient ventilation in place--I've seen plenty of painters get 'loopy' from the chemicals without proper air change ventilation.
Sherwin Williams is my employer.
I don't mind the advice to clean the walls just be mindful of how much moisture you are putting into the walls, especially if you are planning to use an oil based primer. Quickkk tip. Smoke you need oil base primer to seal the stains. Mold/mildew you DO NOT want to use oil. This is my concern with saturated the walls with moisture. If the walls are still damp or you create a situation for mold to grow, the oil based primer is made of organic compounds, mold is organic..you are essentially giving it food, and the primer seals the wall so there can be potentially mold growing behind the film of the primer. See this a lot in exterior projects where people want to use oil because they associate it with being "stronger". Oil for smoke or stains, Acrylic for mold mildew, acrylic is a synthetic resin so it will not feed the organic growth, it is resistant to it.
@Brian Pulaski Sounds like a bit of user error, as I use a lot of our products and can push one coat coverage with less than superpaint. Depending on color use a half inch nap and keep the roller wet. The marathon is a great cover to use. A lot of times people buy the "good paint" and go cheap on the covers. This is essentially like buying a Jaguar and using 87 octane gas. Don't over roll it you will pull the paint back off the wall. A lot of times people are scared to apply the paint, make sure you load your cover and apply a solid uniform coat should cover in one no issues. I would imagine you had success with your mural because it was a lot of brush work, and the paint was properly loaded.
Go to your local Sherwin Williams and ask for pro block oil base primer. Tell them you are a real estate investor and you want to set up a wholesale account, that someone told you it ran around $22-$25 gallon. You need a solvent based product because it seals in the stains and wont allow it to breathe out. Water based coatings have more porosity in the make up and allow the stains to bleed.
I enjoy talking about coatings if you cant tell, any other questions or secrets to get hooked up at sherwin, feel free to ask.
@Drake Espenlaub it's possible error but this same paint did the same thing with multiple different rollers, brushing, and 3 or 4 different people applying. The paint I compared it to was the light blue we rolled from Home Depot, which covered in one coat (same roller cover and paint brush actually, as it was leftover from my last flip).
Just sharing my experience. I still use the paint, just didn't expect to need to apply it a certain way with a certain roller cover.
The biggest issue is the paint not covering well on doors. Doing 3 coats on 6 panel doors and louvered doors is time consuming. Probably should just pay to have themselves sprayed!
Try using solo on your doors and trim. Superpaint is not designed for that application.
@Drake Espenlaub never knew that. My local SW never gave me that fun fact! Thanks. I will look into it.
If there is heavy smoke, you also need to worry about odor. Painting over will not remove the odors and soon as you close the house for a few days and turn the heat on, the stench will come right back to hit your potential buyers in the nose soon as they walk in. Those paints aren't encapsulants. If you are down to subfloor, you need to address the odor. Kilz won't do it. Been there, done that.
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