All
Members
Companies
Blog
Forums
Podcast
Webinars
    User Log in  /  Sign up
  • Forums
    Newest Posts Trending Discussions Followed Forums Real Estate News & Current Events General Landlording & Rental Properties Buying & Selling Real Estate Deal Analysis See All
  • Education

    Read

    BiggerPockets Blog BPInsights: Expert Analysis Guides Glossary Reviews Member Blogs

    Watch

    Webinars Video Library Financial Independence Blueprint Intro to Real Estate: Rentals

    Listen

    BiggerPockets Real Estate Podcast BiggerPockets Money Podcast BiggerPockets Business Podcast Real Estate Rookie Podcast Daily Podcast (Audio Blog)

    Topics

    Business Operations Finance Finding Deals Property Management Property Types Strategy
  • Network

    Recommended Vendors

    Real Estate Agents Mortgage Lenders Companies Hard Money Lenders Contractors Investment Companies

    Search

    Members Events Jobs
  • Tools

    Calculators

    Rental Property Fix and Flip BRRRR Rehab Estimator
    Wholesaling Mortgage Payment 70% Rule Airbnb

    Services

    BPInsights: Property Insights Tenant Screening Property Management Lease Agreement Packages

    New Feature

    BPInsights (beta)

    Quickly analyze a property address or ZIP Code to compare your rent in your neighborhood.

    Analyze a property
  • Find Deals
    Real Estate Listings Find Foreclosures External Link Ads, Jobs, and Other
  • Bookstore

    Real Estate Books

    Profit Like The Pros Bidding to Buy See all books

    Featured Book

    BiggerPockets Wealth Magazine book cover
    BiggerPockets Wealth Magazine

    Written by financial journalists and data scientists, get 60+ pages of newsworthy content, expert-driven advice, and data-backed research written in a clear way to help you navigate your tough investment decisions in an ever-changing financial climate! Subscribe today and get the Oct/Nov issue delivered to your door!

    Get the Magazine
  • Pricing
Log In Sign up
User
Quick search links
Podcast Hard Money Lenders Books Washington
ForumsArrowReal Estate Deal Analysis and AdviceArrow1st deal and a little nervous......Help me analyze this deal
  • Newest Posts
    • Newest Posts
    • Unanswered Discussions
  • Trending
    • Top Discussions
    • Trending Discussions
  • Browse Forums
Search Nova
Create post

1st deal and a little nervous......Help me analyze this deal

4 Replies

  • Share on Facebook
  • Share on Twitter
  • Share on LinkedIn
Rotate Log in or sign up to reply
user profile avatar
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 0

Brittany Olofsson
New to Real Estate from Crystal River, FL

posted about 2 months ago

View report

*This link comes directly from our calculators, based on information input by the member who posted.

Rotate Log in or sign up to reply
user profile avatar
Check Rosette Top Subjects:
Team, Single Family, and Taxes & Accounting
  • Posts 1.7K
  • Votes 2.2K

Greg Scott
Rental Property Investor from SE Michigan

replied about 2 months ago

Brittany:

With the information you have hear, this looks like a solid first property.  Since you have almost $0 for repairs, I assume it is a pretty house in a solid neighborhood, so a very easy starter deal.

$1,600 per month rent on a $180K purchase should roughly yield the cashflow you have here.  Since you have specific numbers for taxes, P&I and others, I'm presuming you've done your homework on those numbers.

Two things that caught my eye. Your roof is from 2003 which means you may need a new one in 3-8 years. Have you had anyone confirm its condition? Also, not sure where you got that interest rate, but that is very high for these days. If you are looking to buy in an LLC, I'd consider buying in your own name, getting the lower interest rate and adding in more liability coverage (property+umbrella). The deal will perform better that way.

Rotate Log in or sign up to reply
user profile avatar
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 0

Brittany Olofsson
New to Real Estate from Crystal River, FL

replied about 2 months ago

@Greg Scott Thank you for the very helpful response. The Roof did have an inspection and they gave it 10 more years. I was actually working on financing through my LLC which my bank will not do so they are recommending a trust Instead? Do you feel that with my first property I would be okay doing it as an individual with an umbrella? It is such a talked about topic and Im so unsure for liability reasons.

Rotate Log in or sign up to reply
user profile avatar
Check Rosette Top Subjects:
Team, Single Family, and Taxes & Accounting
  • Posts 1.7K
  • Votes 2.2K

Greg Scott
Rental Property Investor from SE Michigan

replied about 2 months ago

Brittany:

I'm not a lawyer so I'm just giving you my personal opinions they may or may not be relevant to your specific situation.

First of all a trust is not an asset protection tool; it is an estate planning tool.   So, I'd ignore your bank unless you are also doing estate planning right now.

People love talking about LLCs. In reality the first line of defense is running your properties right. If you allow people to dump toxic chemicals on your property you deserve to get sued. If you maintain a clean and functional property and address safety issues as needed, your odds of getting in trouble become much smaller. Surround yourself with some great insurance and you've solved 99%+ of the problem.  I know dozens of people that own hundreds of single family properties collectively and can't recall one ever being sued.

Think about your asset protection from a lawyers perspective. The lawyer gets a call from someone about a slip and fall and decides he can make a few bucks. What do they do? What they are really hoping is they spend a couple hours writing a letter to your insurance company and they get a check for $5K. That is a pretty good ROI for 2 hours.

But, what if it was a bigger deal like someone lost an arm? For the lawyer, the low hanging fruit is still getting the insurance company to pay out. They'll shoot for the maximum liability coverage you have. Still a great ROI for them. Do you think they want to drag you to court and try to get a judge to order a judgement and then chase after you trying to collect? Not a good ROI for them.

One of the saddest things I've seen is people going LLC-crazy.  They have a master LLC with child LLCs for each property and build this huge legal construct for 3 or 4 single family properties.  It's insane.  Each year they will have to pay fees to maintain each LLC, and CPA fees to file taxes for each LLC.  Even worse, many people don't maintain their LLCs properly.  If an LLC is not maintained properly, a good lawyer could get the entity disregarded in a lawsuit.  So, the real fool has a ton of LLCs they aren't maintaining and minimum insurance.  The Emperor has no clothes in that case.

Personally, I slept well at night with a $500K liability policy on each property and a $2M liability umbrella.

I can't tell you what is the right thing for you to do.  If you are famous or have some serious wealth, it's probably good to have some entity protection, if nothing else for the privacy.  You are a target. For many people, especially those first starting out, it seems like fearmongering drives most of the entity creation.
Rotate Log in or sign up to reply
user profile avatar
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 0

Brittany Olofsson
New to Real Estate from Crystal River, FL

replied about 2 months ago

Thank you so much for your help. I have an appointment to talk to my attorney on Wednesday to see what he thinks would be best. I also looked into my interest rate and as you said it was high. I am now getting a 3.65% which does make my numbers better. I greatly appreciate your time and help. I am going to make this year great starting from the start! We close march 5th! 

Rotate Log in or sign up to reply
  • 1
Related Resources Real Estate Deal Analysis and Advice
Do Your Due Diligence Before Digging Up Dirt: Investing in Vacant Land 101
Best Deal Ever: How a Postcard Gets the Phone Ringing
Meet the Investors: I Sold My Wife on House Hacking With a PowerPoint (& Soon We’ll Live for Free!) Featuring Joaquín Camarasa
Meet the Investors: How I Earn $800/Mo on a Single Property (That I Don’t Even Own!) Featuring Julian Sage
Best Deal Ever: How a 150-Day-Old MLS Listing Paid Off Big Featuring Joe Lieber
Resources Read, see, and learn more!
Link Real Estate Investment Calculators
Link BiggerPockets Blog
Link Path to Purchase
Link Mortgage Loans
Link Find a Contractor
Link Real Estate Agents
Link Hard Money Lenders
Link Real Estate Listings

Top Contributors

Joshua Dorkin
Joshua Dorkin
Denver, CO
6.43
Score
Joe Villeneuve
Joe Villeneuve
Plymouth, MI
5.14
Score
Tim Swierczek
Tim Swierczek
Saint Paul, MN
4.32
Score
Michael Swan
Michael Swan
San Diego, CA
4.2
Score
Bridget Brazelton
Bridget Brazelton
Denver, CO
4.15
Score

Real Estate Deal Analysis and Advice Trending Discussions

  • New to analyzing deals and have some questions.
    4 Replies
  • First Rehab - Please Help me analyze this!
    3 Replies
  • Intro: Newbie Investor in Duluth, MN
    6 Replies
  • How I Analyze a Rental Property (in-depth video from Brandon!)
    84 Replies
  • Renew Indianapolis Properties
    2 Replies
Log in Sign up

Log in

Forgot password?

If you signed up for BiggerPockets via Facebook, you can log in with just one click!

Log in with Facebook

Or
btn_google_dark_normal_ios Created with Sketch. Continue with Google

Let's get started

We just need a few details to get you set up and ready to go!

Use your real name

Use at least 8 characters. Using a phrase of random words (like: paper Dog team blue) is secure and easy to remember.

By signing up, you indicate that you agree to the BiggerPockets Terms & Conditions.

Or
btn_google_dark_normal_ios Created with Sketch. Continue with Google

Why create an account?

Receive a free digital download of The Ultimate Beginner's Guide to Real Estate Investing.

Connect with 1,000,000+ real estate investors!

Find local real estate meetups and events in your area.

Start analyzing real estate properties, we do the math for you.

It's free!

Explore

  • Membership
  • Community
  • Education
  • Marketplace
  • Tools
  • FilePlace
  • REI Resources
  • Perks
  • Glossary
  • Reviews
  • iOS App
  • Android App

Company

  • About Us
  • Press
  • Advertising
  • Careers
  • Stats
  • Contact Us

Important

  • Editorial Guidelines
  • Terms of Use
  • Rules
  • Privacy
  • FAQ

Social

  • Facebook
  • Twitter
  • YouTube
  • Instagram
© 2004-2021 BiggerPockets, LLC. All Rights Reserved.