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How to best protect myself renting to a non qualified tenant with qualified roommate
I am considering renting to someone who
1. Was a drug addict but allegedly clean for 5 years. Had a felony arrest 5 years ago.
2. Has bad credit
3. Has no job
hear me out.
his mother contacted me. He is living in their family investment home but she's selling it and she's looking for somewhere for him to go. She has significant enough assets. She is willing to sign on as the main tenant which means she is responsible for the apartment.
my thoughts thinking out loud:
the other prospective tenants have income issues so at least in this case I know the rent will be paid.
the mother has pretty significant assets (low 6 figures + another 6 figures from sale of the house)
if he destroys the property I could go after her for it right? She would be listed as a tenant even though she would not live there.
he has supposedly been clean for years. The mother would not be willing to sign on and risk her assets if she thought there was a chance he could relapse and destroy the place, I'd assume.
other thoughts: say he has unsavory friends and starts inviting them over. So the rent is paid, but he is disturbing the neighbors, or stealing things, or smoking cigarettes indoors or something. He would be in violation of the lease and would need to be evicted. I'd have to hire a lawyer. Could I go after his mother for these costs?
i want to give him a chance. I'm familiar with recovery and addiction and I know some people just need to turn their life around. But also need to protect myself.
@Lily Yu I might not have a problem with a 5 year old felony depending on what it was and if the record is clean from there. The issue I would have is with no job. Someone in recovery for 5 years should have a job although I know it is hard to get jobs with a criminal record. Is he in school? Is he mentally disabled ? She was upfront to her credit and has assets but I don't see that he is taking initiative here. He will be the tenant. I have been on the mom side of a troubled kid so I understand. However a recovering addict needs to take the lead if they are going to stay in recovery. They need to be talking to landlords and looking for places. What class of property is this? Best candidate, worst, somewhere in the middle. Yes if you allow it you could go after the mother if she is on the lease but where will she be?
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Just you considering it means that you need to FIND A PROPERTY MANAGER TO PROTECT YOU! This is all said to try and help you.
It is about facts, not feelings, not hopes, not maybes...
3. Job/ income - tells you if they have the ability to pay you. THEY DON'T!
2. Credit - tells you if they will pay you. THEY WON'T.
1. Felony - tells you if they will give you and/or the neighbors a problem. THEY WILL!
Wanting to help people is a great attribute but your thought process is wrong. This is a business not a charity. Part of the reason people pay rent is because they need shelter, the mom already has shelter and is more likely to stop paying you rent if things go sideways in her life. At some point she will get tired of her adult son taking advantage of her and you will be stuck.
Automatic denial.
1. Family and friends do not count as Landlord references.
2. No job or income.
3. Bad credit. If they trash your place and you send them to collections, they won't care because their credit is already bad.
If mom and the son were living together, and mom had really good credit, then there may be some wiggle room to consider them. However, she wants you to qualify him based on her record, even though she is not living there. That is bad practice.
I would consider someone with a felony record if they have a clean history for at least two years after serving their sentence. "Clean history" means they are productively holding a job, paying their bills, building their credit, and doing all the things a responsible citizen does. This guy has been living in mom's house, not working, not building his credit. I would bet dollars to donuts he's still doing drugs.
Quote from @Colleen F.:
@Lily Yu I might not have a problem with a 5 year old felony depending on what it was and if the record is clean from there. The issue I would have is with no job. Someone in recovery for 5 years should have a job although I know it is hard to get jobs with a criminal record. Is he in school? Is he mentally disabled ? She was upfront to her credit and has assets but I don't see that he is taking initiative here. He will be the tenant. I have been on the mom side of a troubled kid so I understand. However a recovering addict needs to take the lead if they are going to stay in recovery. They need to be talking to landlords and looking for places. What class of property is this? Best candidate, worst, somewhere in the middle. Yes if you allow it you could go after the mother if she is on the lease but where will she be?
I haven't paid for the background check yet but she said it was a non-violent possession felony. He got laid off in April and she said that he will look for a job once he finds out where he's going to end up since I guess he's not sure if he's going to stay in that town if he cannot find housing.
as far as I can tell there's nothing wrong with him except for the felony and maybe just a lack of motivation?
The mother is willing to be the main tenant which I think at least shows she thinks he is going to be responsible enough.
A few of my red flags:
He didn't call me, she did.
He was living in their family home which is being sold. He literally has to be out in a few weeks. So it did occur to me that she could be extremely desperate to find him somewhere to live and be ready to lie. Desperation makes people do crazy things.
He did have a case against him from a former landlord. His mother told me that in 2016 He moved out of an apartment without paying last month's rent. Allegedly that is what the case is about.
Quote from @Adam Bartomeo:
Just you considering it means that you need to FIND A PROPERTY MANAGER TO PROTECT YOU! This is all said to try and help you.
It is about facts, not feelings, not hopes, not maybes...
3. Job/ income - tells you if they have the ability to pay you. THEY DON'T!
2. Credit - tells you if they will pay you. THEY WON'T.
1. Felony - tells you if they will give you and/or the neighbors a problem. THEY WILL!
Wanting to help people is a great attribute but your thought process is wrong. This is a business not a charity. Part of the reason people pay rent is because they need shelter, the mom already has shelter and is more likely to stop paying you rent if things go sideways in her life. At some point she will get tired of her adult son taking advantage of her and you will be stuck.
The only reason I'm considering this tenant at all is because of the mother's assets. I live in a historically low income area so I always run into issues with people being able to pay rent. The mother was willing to pay for the whole year upfront in escrow. Which is not necessary and a little tricky legally, but she certainly has enough money to pay their rent so that is not my concern.
I am just one person with one experience but I will tell you in my experience the property managers I've dealt with have been the biggest thieves of all. It doesn't happen like a tenant, all at once, but it's death by a thousand paper cuts. I have had good property managers but a majority of them have been bad which is why I now manage everything myself. In fact, all the worst tenants I ever got were once put in by property managers.
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#2 General Landlording & Rental Properties Contributor
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@Lily Yu Honestly, it sounds like you need help with decision making. Selecting bad PM's and now considering selecting a bad tenant... If you are against PM's than you might want to consider partnering with someone with strong decision-making skills.
@Lily Yu he got laid off in April, it is now August. You don't wait to look for a job if you have a felony, with a record it will take longer to find a job, He should be working something. The fact that she said he is waiting to see where he will be housed is not a good sign. The fact you are talking to her only is not a good sign. I have a son out of work, he is looking everyday and with misdemeanors they are turning him down. He picks up day jobs and temporary work where they don't care about a record in the interim. He lived in boarding houses when he had to. Mom can't do it for him.
If this is a poorer neighborhood and he called you and he was working or mom was living there or a gaurantor I would consider it but I would not take him on, unemployed and not taking his own initiative for a job or apartment.
Stop trying to talk yourself into accepting a tenant.... if you have to do that, its the wrong tenant.
When screening your job is to decide why you should declined them...... and this guys has LOTS of those.
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Why isnt his mother moving him in with her for starters ? If she pays a year up front , makes it harder to evict . What could possibly go wrong with this situation ? None of it will happen if you say ...................NO
High probability of NOT ending well.
Sounds like mommy is tired of supporting him.
Could you add his mom as a cosigner or guarantor?
Quote from @Lily Yu:...all the worst tenants I ever got were once put in by property managers.
There are good renters and there are good property managers. You must know what a good one looks like, screen until you find a good one, then supervise them to ensure they adhere to the agreement.
I manage up to 400 rentals and have dealt with thousands of renters. This one has a ton of red flags. You can believe my experience or ignore it and let them in. Don't say we didn't warn you.
