Ken McElroy and MC Companies Total Loss on 50+ Million Dollar Property

Ken McElroy and MC Companies Total Loss on 50+ Million Dollar Property

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Thought it would be worth letting the community know what is happening over there.

Invested in their fund in 2022. Given the unusual environment of near zero interest rates, knew there could be choppy waters ahead with rising interest rates coming soon. Given the level of uncertainty at that time, I gave the bulk of my investment money to the guys whose entire reputation is that of veterans who can navigate choppy waters and difficult environments. Their entire social media presence is discussing what the "other" syndicators did wrong during this time and how they know better from experience. 

Investors just received a letter stating of the 2 properties, BriarCrest has been taken back by the bank and is in forced sale situation. This is a total loss of all investor capital in this property which is about 2/3 of the value of the fund. The other property is not and has never made distributions so not looking good there either. Ross McAllister, stated these deals were "too aggressively underwritten". Of the 4 syndications I invested in at the time this is the only one that performed poorly. The 3 others are all making distributions and performing as expected so this is not just a matter of everyone having trouble from the rise in interest rates from that time - which by the way is their stated specialty and the primary reason to invest with them.

They also have just recently announced a merger and name change. Given the timing one has to wonder if this suggests financial issues and/or possibly obscuring a total loss on the record.

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JD MartinBusiness Member
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Rock Star Extraordinaire · Northeast, TN · Member since 2015 · 10k+ posts · 16k+ votes
4mo
Quote from @Robert MacNeal:

Thought it would be worth letting the community know what is happening over there.

Invested in their fund in 2022. Given the unusual environment of near zero interest rates, knew there could be choppy waters ahead with rising interest rates coming soon. Given the level of uncertainty at that time, I gave the bulk of my investment money to the guys whose entire reputation is that of veterans who can navigate choppy waters and difficult environments. Their entire social media presence is discussing what the "other" syndicators did wrong during this time and how they know better from experience. 

Investors just received a letter stating of the 2 properties, BriarCrest has been taken back by the bank and is in forced sale situation. This is a total loss of all investor capital in this property which is about 2/3 of the value of the fund. The other property is not and has never made distributions so not looking good there either. Ross McAllister, stated these deals were "too aggressively underwritten". Of the 4 syndications I invested in at the time this is the only one that performed poorly. The 3 others are all making distributions and performing as expected so this is not just a matter of everyone having trouble from the rise in interest rates from that time - which by the way is their stated specialty and the primary reason to invest with them.

They also have just recently announced a merger and name change. Given the timing one has to wonder if this suggests financial issues and/or possibly obscuring a total loss on the record.


 Ouch. Sorry to hear that for you, but considering how syndications have been going lately you are probably fortunate that 75% of your investments are performing.

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  • JD MartinBusiness Member
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    Rock Star Extraordinaire · Northeast, TN · Member since 2015 · 10k+ posts · 16k+ votes
    4mo
    Quote from @Robert MacNeal:

    Thought it would be worth letting the community know what is happening over there.

    Invested in their fund in 2022. Given the unusual environment of near zero interest rates, knew there could be choppy waters ahead with rising interest rates coming soon. Given the level of uncertainty at that time, I gave the bulk of my investment money to the guys whose entire reputation is that of veterans who can navigate choppy waters and difficult environments. Their entire social media presence is discussing what the "other" syndicators did wrong during this time and how they know better from experience. 

    Investors just received a letter stating of the 2 properties, BriarCrest has been taken back by the bank and is in forced sale situation. This is a total loss of all investor capital in this property which is about 2/3 of the value of the fund. The other property is not and has never made distributions so not looking good there either. Ross McAllister, stated these deals were "too aggressively underwritten". Of the 4 syndications I invested in at the time this is the only one that performed poorly. The 3 others are all making distributions and performing as expected so this is not just a matter of everyone having trouble from the rise in interest rates from that time - which by the way is their stated specialty and the primary reason to invest with them.

    They also have just recently announced a merger and name change. Given the timing one has to wonder if this suggests financial issues and/or possibly obscuring a total loss on the record.


     Ouch. Sorry to hear that for you, but considering how syndications have been going lately you are probably fortunate that 75% of your investments are performing.

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  • Greg ScottPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · SE Michigan · Member since 2014 · 4k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    4mo
    Quote from @Robert MacNeal:

    Thought it would be worth letting the community know what is happening over there.

    Invested in their fund in 2022. Given the unusual environment of near zero interest rates, knew there could be choppy waters ahead with rising interest rates coming soon. Given the level of uncertainty at that time, I gave the bulk of my investment money to the guys whose entire reputation is that of veterans who can navigate choppy waters and difficult environments. Their entire social media presence is discussing what the "other" syndicators did wrong during this time and how they know better from experience. 

    Investors just received a letter stating of the 2 properties, BriarCrest has been taken back by the bank and is in forced sale situation. This is a total loss of all investor capital in this property which is about 2/3 of the value of the fund. The other property is not and has never made distributions so not looking good there either. Ross McAllister, stated these deals were "too aggressively underwritten". Of the 4 syndications I invested in at the time this is the only one that performed poorly. The 3 others are all making distributions and performing as expected so this is not just a matter of everyone having trouble from the rise in interest rates from that time - which by the way is their stated specialty and the primary reason to invest with them.

    They also have just recently announced a merger and name change. Given the timing one has to wonder if this suggests financial issues and/or possibly obscuring a total loss on the record.

    It has been a common practice for mutual funds to absorb a fund into another to make it disappear.  They call this white washing.  I've never heard this done with a syndication fund.  I would be mad if I were in the fund absorbing under-performing assets because that would mean my returns have been diluted.

    Looking at their portfolio I see BriarCrest still on there.  What is the other apartment you invested in?
  • Ronald RohdePro Member
    Attorney · Dallas, TX · Member since 2016 · 5k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    4mo

    Sorry to hear. How was communication prior to this?

  • Basit SiddiqiBusiness Member
    Accountant · New York, NY · Member since 2015 · 8k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    3mo

    I am surprised there hasn't been as much coverage about Ken McElroy and his loss.

    Ken McElroy is a big name / player in the real estate space.

    I used to listen to his podcast because I though he was interesting but I stopped listening to him about 1-2 years ago because all his episodes were doom and gloom.

    The question is how did he lose his investor capital?
    From what I recall, he mentioned himself to be a vertically intigregrated business - doing everything from finding the property, rehabbing the property and also doing the property management.

    I was reading a couple of posts where I am seeing the $50,000,000 figure but I was not able to see if that is the value of the property or investor capital.

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