BP Podcast 151: Finding Your “Freedom Number” with Clayton Morris


On today’s episode of The BiggerPockets Podcast, we sit down with Clayton Morris, a real estate investor and host of the weekend edition of Fox and Friends on the Fox Cable News Network. In this incredible interview, Clayton shares his story with us of getting started, finding financial freedom through a “Freedom Number,” investing while working a full time job, understanding limiting beliefs about money, and much more. But be careful — this show might seriously change the course of your life!

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In This Episode We Cover:

  • BiggerPockets Podcast ArtworkClayton’s career and how he got into real estate
  • His first condo rehab and how he bought it using 100% financing
  • The power in buying property off-market
  • How limiting beliefs on money affected him growing up
  • The importance of giving value to financial education
  • How Clayton grew his career in real estate
  • Insight into analyzing the market
  • How he got to know his “freedom number
  • The total number of deals he’s done
  • A discussion on having a turnkey company
  • How to overcome the fear of asking for money
  • Clayton’s thoughts on the perception of real estate investors
  • Aikido and how it relates to investing
  • The importance of focusing on the comfort of the tenant
  • Thoughts on using a 5-year lease
  • Whether you should borrow from your 401k
  • Tips on finding partnerships
  • How to treat real estate as a business and not just a hobby
  • And SO much more!

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Books Mentioned in this Show

Tweetable Topics:

  • “There’s so many excuses out there for people that don’t want to take action.” (Tweet This!)
  • “You’ll get real answers when you humble yourself to people who got a lot more knowledge than you.” (Tweet This!)
  • “At the first sign of failure, don’t give up.” (Tweet This!)

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  1. Ayad Mirjan

    I dislike Fox News and my bias almost led me to stop listening in the first minute of the interview. But wow! This was truly one of your best podcasts. Listening to Clayton was truly inspiring and I even wrote down my thoughts on a piece of paper after the podcast because I didn’t want to forget anything. Thank you Josh and Brandon for yet another great episode and thank you Clayton for the inspiration!

    Congratulations to Brandon and his wife!

  2. Geoffrey W.

    Also wanted to say congratulations to Brandon and Heather! I’m very excited for you guys! This was truly an amazing podcast. I’ll be listening multiple times to fully absorb. I also grabbed Profit First and The Four Spiritual Laws of Prosperity on Audible just now.

    My freedom number = 11.9 just like the cheat sheet. Wow, I used typical numbers for the DFW area, which are different from the cheat sheet markets. I wonder if this could be a typical ratio coinciding with cost of living and market rents…

    Anyone else get approximately 12?

  3. I have listened to every podcast and I must say i think this was the best one. I have never wanted to relisten to any, but I’m saving this one to listen to again, and possibly multiple times. Congrats on the baby, its the hardest thing you will ever do in your life, but also the most amazing. God Bless.

  4. eleasha counts

    I almost didn’t listen to this one because he works for Fox News. I am totally anti Fox News. But I am glad that I did not allow that to stop me from hearing his wonderful story and message! I just signed up to follow his blog and I bought two of the books he recommended. I Thank you Clayton for opening my eyes and giving me a new found energy for my Real Estate Business!!

  5. Patrick Inglis

    Solid podcast guys. Lots of ways to go with Clayton, whether it was distance investing, getting started, etc. but I liked the focus on the Freedom Number and identifying how to overcome self-imposed limitations, among other things. And congrats to Brandon and Heather!

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