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Real Estate Coach · Highland, Indiana


The reality these days is that the rules are changing every day. It is extremely important for investors to stay on top of the news and know what the real impact of the headlines is. There was some really big news in the short sale world recently, so I wanted to take this chance to explain its impact and how I am dealing with it in my business.

Bank of America, which also now owns Countrywide, quietly added a clause to its short sale agreements recently that obligates homeowners to pay back the deficiency owed as a result of the short sale. In many cases, homeowners we deal with are only agreeing to short sales when the deficiency portion is waived by the lender. Because of this, we have stopped taking on deals that have Countrywide loans. Bank of America's new policy is expected to begin scuttling many short sales now in process with Bank of America or Countrywide because a lot investors like us now find it to be a complete waste to bother spending the time negotiating a deal knowing that they're most likely going to slap a provision on there that makes it difficult for us to get a short sale approved that is acceptable to the homeowner.

Now, Bank of America is probably just doing what it deems necessary to protect its investors from further losses. It's also trying to curb granting short sales to people who have resources available to continue paying unwanted mortgages.

It is short-sighted though, because it's going to have a number of extremely negative impacts:

1. More short sales that have been in process (sometimes for several months) will fail just short of the closing table.

2. More homeowners will be forced into bankruptcy in order to avoid deficiency payments when the property is finally foreclosed.

3. More homeowners will ultimately be forced into foreclosure.

4. Bank of America and its subsidiaries will be left with more inventory on the books for a longer period of time. The increasing numbers of REOs will end up lowering the value in many markets that are already suffering. It's likely that Bank of America will revise the policy again once it becomes clear to them that it's not making their investors more money. Unfortunately, the people who get caught in the middle are the homeowners who put their faith in the short sale process and may end up getting the short end of the stick.

To help these homeowners out, short sale investors should have their negotiators touch base with the loss mitigation specialists assigned to these cases and have them confirm that the deficiency is being waived. Have them send a copy of the current short sale agreement language and discuss any changes with homeowners.

If it appears that a deficiency clause is going to sink the short sale, the best bet is to come right out with it and tell the bank that if there is a deficiency clause, you will not do the deal, and they will lose out on your offer. Some people are having success with this approach. Lender short sale rules ebb and flow depending on the market and the lender's bottom line in any given quarter. Right now, we aren't bothering to do any deals with Countrywide but that may change as their policies change. I will try to keep you on top of the changes as they happen!


Real Estate Investor · ten mile, Tennessee


Sounds like this can be headed off at the pass by a contingency clause in your offer that it is dependant upon no deficiancy clause in the short sale agreement.


Real Estate Coach · Highland, Indiana


Jaws

Yep, i agree.... in the old days ( last week) that worked fine, but it appears that they are rejecting the clause off the get go...

the clause may kill the deal.

Tony


Real Estate Investor · ten mile, Tennessee


At least you will know from the get go what deals are a no go, instead of the last minute. And when it is accepted you will know that their policy has changed.

Lots of less wasted time (money).


Rehabber · Chandler, Arizona


Tony or Jawsette-

Can you share your contingency clause you are currently using?

Thanks for the insight from BOA.

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Rehabber · Tucson, Arizona


In Arizona we have anti-deficiency statutes for primary residences, so they are instead mandating borrowers sign promissory notes prior to submitting the short sale to the investor.

I tell sellers you have a choice; live rent free as long as possible and then walk away at the last minute, sign and file bankruptcy, or suck it up and pay it. Your choice.

If they decide they want to sign it, then I will make an offer on their property.


Real Estate Investor · Rochester Hills, Michigan


Great info and I agree with Jawsette that still having that in your contract is a good thing - helps cut down on surprises and in the short sale world those can be many.


Real Estate Consultant · Metro Detroit, Michigan


In Michigan we have anti-deficiency statutes for primary residences also. However, if there is a second mortgage the lender can go after the homeowner for that. At any rate, I have a question for Tony. If BOA is going after the defiency then it will no longer be consider a short sale right? I wonder what they will call it? And why will a homeowner sign anything that says they are going to pay the defiency? It defeats the purpose of the short sale doesn't it?


Real Estate Investor · Tampa, Florida


Originally posted by Pennie Ohia
And why will a homeowner sign anything that says they are going to pay the defiency? It defeats the purpose of the short sale doesn't it?


I agree with this. I wouldn't. Why bother with a short sale if you're going to hang anyway? But perhaps when B of A eats enough properties they will change that policy.

Loss Mitigation Specialist · Fredrick, Maryland


Sorry to say all of you are wrong this issue has been addressed with some top attorneys and you have to read the clause and fully understand what is written in the letter, A good attorney who has a good grasped of the English langue can fully understand what the letter is saying. Please understand that if you do not know what your saying you may be giving bad advice to your clientele. If the lender issues a 1099 than this is a lost and has been written off of the books of the lender. The lender cannot than try and collect on a debt that was reported to the IRS. The clause says they may pursue a deficiency unless agreed otherwise or prohibited by law. The agreed part is the short sale; as long as it closes than they will not collect. Read people read it is fundamental.

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Real Estate Investor · ten mile, Tennessee


The unless otherwise agreed part is covered by that new clause being added. The homeowner is agreeing to allow the bank to collect the deficiency. And even if they choose not to the IRS can charge the deficiency amount to the homeowner as income.


Real Estate Investor · ten mile, Tennessee


Originally posted by Justin S.
Tony or Jawsette-

Can you share your contingency clause you are currently using?

Thanks for the insight from BOA.

Actualy Tony, I am not doing REO's, I purchase them before they become reo's, therefore I do not use such a clause. But with the information given I would have an attorney review things and word a clause for you to put into the offer that you officially submit.


Real Estate Agent · Portland, Oregon


Originally posted by Troy Scott
has a good grasped of the English langue can fully understand what the letter is saying.

Wow. While my brain tries to keep from frying after reading that sentence. . .

Would the homeowner, in theory at the least, not benefit from a short sale by still avoiding the foreclosure on their credit report. If we're going by the reported FHA rules, stating that they'd be able to get a mortgage after two years with a short sale instead of five years after a foreclosure, then isn't that still the best idea for them?

If they are going to be foreclosed on and be slapped with a deficiency anyway, or agree to a short sale with a deficiency or promissory note, wouldn't it still be in their best interest to go with the short? Maybe not worth the investor's time, but still, in their interest? Would I be correct in that assumption?


Real Estate Consultant · Metro Detroit, Michigan


The clause says they may pursue a deficiency unless agreed otherwise or prohibited by law. The agreed part is the short sale; as long as it closes than they will not collect. Read people read it is fundamental.


Tony I think I understand this now. Where can I get a copy of this letter? Is it somewhere online? Also, you quoted "unless agreed otherwise or prohibited by law" In Michigan we have the anti-defiency law in place, so BOA would not be able to force a homeowner to sign this contract right? If this is not so, kindly give me an example of BOA would NOT be able to force to sign this contract. Thanks

Real Estate Investor · Belvidere, Illinois


I agree with Jeff. When I meet with a short sale candidate, I tell them that although we will try to negotiate away the deficiency, it is ultimately up to the bank and they may still pursue it. When the bank accepts our offer, they will spell out the terms, which will let us know(we include a clause in the contract requiring they wave it, but they may not). Regardless, if we are unable to negotiate it away, if the lender is that set on pursuing a deficiency that they will sabotage a cash offer now, then they will obviously come after it later, particularly since no one will try to negotiate it away for you then. So, if they refuse to waive it, your choice is basically either to have a deficiency and no foreclosure with a short sale now, or, a deficiency and a foreclosure later. Obviously they have options regarding dealing with the deficiency after the dust settles.


Rehabber · Tucson, Arizona


I received a BOA approval letter two weeks ago and it says:

BAC Home Loans Servicing, LP and/or its investors may pursue a deficiency judgment for the difference in the payment received and the total balance due, unless agreed otherwise or prohibited by law, if the short sale closes on the loan referenced above.

My company negotiates short sales in several states and here is what I have found to be true so far:

In states where anti-deficiency will not allow a judgment, BOA is insisting on promissory notes and will send an approval letter that they will not pursue the deficiency.

In states where BOA are able to pursue deficiency post closing, you will find the aforementioned clause and will reserve the right to collect the loss amount.

In my opinion, the statement and the examples given by Troy Scott where he says the lenders cannot pursue the deficiency because 1. the definition of a short sale, 2. the 1099 will void any opportunity for lenders to collect 3. any attorney can offer sellers protection form suit if flawed to say the least.

1. The current working definition of a short sale is: lender agrees to accept less than what is owed. Nowhere in the definition does it address rights to collect the loss. Those are left up to interpretation of the applicable laws in the state in which the property is located. So, the mere fact that the lender agrees to accept a short sale does in exclude them from pursuing the deficiency post closing. Secondarily, even if you were able to argue the fact that by accepting a short sale, the lender would not be able to pursue 100% of the deficiency amount, but they could pursue less than 100% and it still, by definition, would be a short sale.

2. If the lender issues a 1099 then the lender waives their rights to collect. The issuance of a 1099 does not exempt the lender from continuing to pursue collection. A 1099 is merely a requirement from the IRS and is a device to track those tax losses back to the taxpayer. It does not waive the rights of the lender to pursue the collection of the debt. Moreover, there is no guarantee the lender will issue a 1099 especially if it decides to pursue collections.

3. an attorney could use the above information to refute the rights of the lender to pursue collections.

Since my attorney has had a lot to do with the information above, his and my opinion are the same. If the sellers sign the approval letters where it affords the lender the right to pursue the deficiency, you better believe they will. Sure, sellers can hire an attorney to protect themselves against suit, but mosr will jot simply because they will not be able to afford a retainer. And, for those who can, it will depend on case law in their own state, what the chances of success will be.

In my opinion, BOA will sell the promissory notes and rights to post closing deficiency collections to a collection agency for pennies on the dollar. If you want to protect yourself from possible lawsuits, do not make any claims that you can protect your clients from pursuit of post closing collections.


Real Estate Investor · ten mile, Tennessee


But then again as their own clause says:


unless agreed otherwise


If you put a clause in their short sale that states that: it is agreed that no defeincy judgement will be pursued in the afore mentioned loan will be pursued by BAC Home Loans Servicing, LP and/or its ivestors.

Then even if they are allowed to by State laws then they are agreeing as part of the Short sale to not pursue it.

If we all did this, then they will not be able to sell any of their problem loans through the short sale process. And will remove that clause from their short sales.

But be aware that they do not have to have that clause in any contract to pursue a defiency, if allowed to by law, it really is a curtesy on their behalf to informing the seller of their intentions. They still have the right to do so, so this clause can be used for all short sales, if you wish to protect the seller.

I believe that it will protect the seller, but then again, since this is a relative new thing (as far as BOA, and their clause) it has not been tested and has no case law to say either way in reality.

But then again as I originally said if you put such a clause in your offer, then it will most likely be rejected and you will not be able to do any short sales at all. So is it really worth it?


Rehabber · Tucson, Arizona


Jawsette-

I have not yet attempted to negotiate away the new clause, but I suspect BOA will not remove it. The negotiators are not empowered to remove it based on conversations I have had.

My thoughts are that BOA will not actually pursue the collections, but the investor or a collection agency will pursue collections post closing. BOA or the investor will probably sell the debt to a firm for pennies on the dollar and the new owner of the debt will pursue the debt full force which could include filing a suit.

I agree with you that all of us should attempt to negotiate the removal of the clause.


Real Estate Investor · ten mile, Tennessee


But if they allow you to do a short sale with them with such a clause as part of your offer, which they accept, then they can not even sell the defiency to anyone for pennies on the dollar as they would be pursuing the defiency by accepting pennies on the dollar for the defiency amount. This would thereby stop anyone else from also attempting to collect on the defiency.

It would not matter what is in the actual short sale contract itself, because the clause in the offer that is accepted, negates the clause in the contract.


Rehabber · Tucson, Arizona


Jawsette-

In my opinion, despite the fact we put in our contracts the lender must agree to waive the deficiency, the lender can pursue the seller post-closing since:

The sales contract is a two-party transaction between the seller and the buyer which addresses the conveyance of the property. Since the lender is not a party to the contract, then the terms in the contract will have no bearing.

and;

when the approval letter states that the seller must agree that the lender reserves its rights to pursue said seller for the deficiency, then this agreement, having been signed after the sales agreement, would have precedence.

Simply put, if a lender makes the seller sign an approval letter which advocates its rights to the deficiency, then our contracts will no longer protect the seller.


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