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· Washington D.C.


How do you go about finding out when the BPO will be done on a property you've made an offer on? From what I've read here, it sounds like most folks show up at the property for the BPO in order to make the case for their offer price. Is that correct?


SFR Investor · Rancho Cucamonga, California


BPO = broker price opinion

BPO's are done before a property is listed and help the seller (the bank) decide what the property should be listed at..

Most sellers get two BPO's done or with every BPO they get an automated appraisal or a real appraisal just to verify the agent is too far off base with the price.

Typically agents will not disclose what there BPO is and you probably will not sway their value.


Real Estate Investor · Ocala, Florida


Joe,

When you are negotiating with the Lender. Simply tell them to set up the BPO they need to notify you. So, when the BPO is ordered, the agent that is going to perform the BPO will call to set up an appointment with you. Since you will set the date and time, you will all ways know when the BPO is being done.

If you are only making an offer, the Lender will order a BPO and you will likely never find out the day and time of the BPO.

It is all ways best to be in control of the deal. Either negotiate yourself or get an experienced company to negotiate for you.


Rehabber · Chandler, Arizona


To build off what James said, include the request for an "interior BPO" on your fax cover sheet and every time you call, mention that you requested an interior BPO.

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Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


Looks like Steve was referencing REO properties and Justin and James short sales.

They are two different processes and require to different investor strategies.

Justin and James were right on with teh short sale side. For REO properties, the only way you get to be involved in that is to know of the property BEFORE it is listed. To do that requires an ability to form relationships with top REO brokers and earn your way in. Onc ethe REO is on the MLS, the BPO was already done.

For short sales, it is much easier (as far as knowledge of the BPO is concerned)

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Real Estate Investor · Mesa, Arizona


Hi Joe,

If you are referring to BPO's on short sale investing (buy and resell immediately or buy and hold) as opposed to making offers on short sales in your local MLS, then here is what you do:

Make sure you are the only person that the bank has for a contact for the BPO. I buy my properties in an LLC (for many reasons and I assume you do to), so if I get a call for a BPO, they are not aware they are talking to the actual buyer.

I do not list my properties for a flip until after the BPO is done and currently in my market, not until I am close to bank approval. This prevents the BPO agent form contacting the listing agent instead of me. I also do not put a lockbox on until after BPO as well and let my seller know that if they happen to get a call from anyone that wants to see the house, have them call me.

When you schedule the BPO, always show up, make sure homeowner will be gone, play the roll of property manager, give them realistic but lower end comps, the hardship letter, a list of known repairs needed, and a copy of the offer page of the purchase contract. This is called ethically influencing the BPO. Do not try to push this information on them, but strike up casual conversation and tell them you were asked to give this to them. Some will take it, others will hardly talk to you. If they won't take anything, at least point out the known repair issues.

Also, they want to be in and out and get on with the day so do not get in their way or talk TOO much. I always prefer phone conversation as so much can get lost in translation in email or posting. PM if you would like to speak directly on the phone and I will be glad to share more tips with you.


Residential Real Estate Broker · Chula Vista, California


The first thing to do is determine who the point of contact is for the short sale itself. If you are the one that submitted the package to the lender and you are also negotiating the deal then this is pretty simple. However, if you are the buyer and you are not negotiating the deal then it becomes extremely difficult because you will more than likely not have access to the company/individual who is negotiating on the seller's behalf. Even if you did they may not have the resources or the desire to inform you when and BPO will take place. The best thing for you to do is to remain in constant contact with the negotiator and/or the listing agent. Since its more likely they will be ones notified by the bank to do the BPO it would make sense to keep in touch with them as much as possible


Commercial Real Estate Broker · Nashville, Tennessee


Most properties taken back or in the process of being taken back by the larger banks will be given to asset management companies for the BPO process.

If you've made an offer on a publicly listed property chances are at least one BPO has already been done. Alot of the asset managers have several BPO's done to confirm pricing, especially when they receive credible offers.

To answer your initial question: Regardless of where they are in that process, if you know the name of the asset management company handling the short sale you can simply call the manager and ask if they will be doing another BPO in response to your offer. They are under no obligation to give you an answer, tell you a date, or the number at which they arrive. Don't be surprised if they don't even call you back. The larger asset management companies are managing thousands of properties.

If they do counter your offer higher, however, you can almost guarantee that the number at which they counter was the most recently turned in BPO assessment.


Real Estate Investor · Mesa, Arizona


David is correct, my post is what you can do IF you are the one negotiating. If you made an offer on the short sale and the listing agent or someone they are affiliated with is negotiating, you will not be able to do this. However, many agents to not realize the importance of showing up at the appointment armed with the same information. So if this is the case, talk to the listing agent about whether they "show up" the their BPO's or not and if they don't share with them why they may want to start doing so.

Nothing worse than a BPO coming in at $200K on a property that NOBODY will purchase for more than $180K, especially if you are buying as an investor.


· Washington D.C.


Thanks for all the replies. First off, I am much more of a neophyte than you guys think. Many of your responses "buzzed right by me" so let me fill in some of the blanks. I am looking for my first investment property. The short sale in question has been on the maket for 200 days and started at $425K and is now at $350K. The property is listed on the MLS and I am working with an agent. We are planning to make an offer soon, what are my next steps?


Rehabber · Chandler, Arizona


Joe-

Are you buying this for a short sale flip?

Small_wh_logo_full_1600_350_black_cJustin S., Wheelhouse Properties
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Residential Real Estate Agent · Orange County, California


Originally posted by IDEALProperty

Nothing worse than a BPO coming in at $200K on a property that NOBODY will purchase for more than $180K, especially if you are buying as an investor.



What do you do in this situation? I have heard that when nobody meets the BPO agent or doesn't know what the BPO package should include, the BPO ends up coming back too high. Do you request another BPO? I would guess that providing comps showing that the price is too high should work.

Real Estate Investor · Mesa, Arizona


You can send the bank comps but they really don't do much good. they pretty much stick to the BPO which is why it is absolutely essential that your or a partner, our your agent meets the BPO agent.

You can push for another BPO using those comps, but it will be a hard fight with most lenders. The best thing you can do if you are absolutely blown out of the water, is to cancel your offer, wait a week, and resubmit another offer under a different LLC. You should be assigned to a different negotiator and the monkeys at the bank usually have trouble putting 1 & 1 together let alone 2 & 2. This is obviously a last resort tactic.

To be honest with you I expect that I am not going to win the battle everytime even though we try our best. If the bank wants a number that I know "someone" will pay, I wait for that offer to come along and "substitute" the other buyers contract for mine to help the homeowner avoid the foreclosure.

Keep in mind I do not make offers on properties in the MLS (too hard to get control of the property and take over negotiations.) and I am working a large volume so I do not need every deal to work out in my favor.


Real Estate Investor · Mesa, Arizona


Thanks for all the replies. First off, I am much more of a neophyte than you guys think. Many of your responses "buzzed right by me" so let me fill in some of the blanks. I am looking for my first investment property. The short sale in question has been on the maket for 200 days and started at $425K and is now at $350K. The property is listed on the MLS and I am working with an agent. We are planning to make an offer soon, what are my next steps?

Ae you flipping the property or buying to hold?

Colleague and PM me and I will be happy to break it down for you over the phone. I want all to see my tips but I want to make sure you don't waste any time.




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