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Do a lot of closed short sales result in the sellers still being on the hook for all or a portion of the shortfall? For example, would a home selling for $200k with a loan amount of $370k likely have something like this required of the seller?
If so, it makes foreclosure look more attractive to the seller.
Thanks for help on this newbie question.


Real Estate Investor · Ocala, Florida


It all depends on what is negotiated and agreed upon by the Lender and Property Seller. Any Short Sale Negotiator worth their wait in salt, will negotiate the "best" possible exit for the Property Seller.

Just giving out numbers will not get an answer. The only true way of finding out what will result is to talk and negotiate with all Lenders involved.

As for what makes a Short Sale a "better" resolution than a foreclosure, read thru this site. This topic has been addressed many many times. And you will see many different points of view.


· Scottsdale, Arizona


Stephen,

The answer to your question is investor specific.

Some other factors that will go into the negotiations are the state's laws regarding deficiencies, the % of the balance recoop'd from the SS, 1st or Jr. lien position., and Mortgage Insurance offsets.

These are the most common factors which play into a decision from our investors.



Thanks for the info, guys. I am the investor, trying to snag a good deal on a mountain property.
I am concerned that the foreclosure date of 4-6-10 is approaching.
The seller is the listing realtor, so we have to go through her. The negotiator has confirmed that they have everything two days ago. It took 30 plus days for them to let us know they were missing a form that se e mailed to him 15 days ago.
This is a Georgia house, so I think a deficiency judgement could come ionto play, which would be a deal killer. The seller is trying to get this short sale done, submitted all required information quickly, just doesn't seem to be that aggressive. She basically says if the short sale doesn't go through, they can have it.
There is only one lender, but she owes a lot ($370k) mkt value probably $220, offered $170 initially.

What is the likelihood of this one crashing and burning?
Thanks


Real Estate Investor · Wheat Ridge, Colorado


"Just letting them have it" may still result in a deficiency. At least, it does here in CO. I know that's state specific, though.

I'd say if you're looking at a 4/6 sale date and you don't have an approval yet, and you just got the stuff in two days ago that the odds of crashing and burning are very high.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC



Jon, yep. We had everything in over 30 days ago and he asked for the PEC form over 2 weeks ago, which we promptly sent in. They just looked at it recently, as I mentioneed.
What would need to happen to delay the foreclosue, a counter from them or would there need to be a meeting of the minds?
Thanks.


Real Estate Investor · Melbourne, Florida


The person or company that is handling the negotiations on your behalf should be asking to have this foreclosure date postponed while the short sale is being negotiated. That is all that you can do.

If your negotiator has not already done this, then I would recommend that you do not use them on any other short sales, as this is one of the first things they should have taken care of when contacting the lender on this short sale.

You want to always make sure that the person negotiating on your behalf understands how to negotiate for investors. Most negotiators that realtors use only submit the package and don't truly negotiate. A real negotiator attempts to justify the price submitted by emphasizing the repairs needed, the lowest comps in the subject area, the crime rate in the area, any sex offenders in the area, etc. As the above illustrates, a real negotiator identifies anything that can help in the negotiation and presents them in order to justify the price.

At the same time, you as an investor should never start a short sale with the highest price you are willing to pay. The best way to do this is to inform your negotiator what your highest price is for the property, then let them make the submissions. They should start the short sale with a price considerably below your highest price, then during negotiations, work up to that price, if they can not obtain the Acceptance Letter(s) below it. Doing it this way, it allows you to save money, as sometimes the final price can be a lot lower than what your top price would have been.

Hope this helps.


Real Estate Investor · Audubon, Pennsylvania


Originally posted by Stephen Gathman
... What would need to happen to delay the foreclosue...?
...


Making a payment can oftentimes postpone a sale. How much of a payment it takes is what needs to be established. It might be one month's payment, it might be as high as the full arrears (at which point you can try to get the loan re-instated which would buy lots of time).

Not saying that you should do this, though ...




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