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Real Estate Investor · Los Angeles, California


Hi, maybe someone can answer this or give me a word of encouragement. Is there really such thing (and fairly readily available) as a private investor looking for a decent return on their money?

Every lead for the "I'm a wealthy investor looking to invest and make 8-10% return" or the "equity partner" is BS and turns out to be a hard money lender looking for a heck of a lot more than that.

I'm finding plenty of deals these days for rentals but obviously I'm limited on the number I can finance myself with the 70-80% ltv most conventional lenders are wanting.

I've got great credit but I'm looking to do a bigger deal next which is going to require 200-300k for a value added scenario with a 3 year exit strategy.

Anyone have any luck with true private investors?



Yes, private money is readily available but you have to develop your network of lenders. Just about anyone advertising as a "private" lender is the hard money type.

What you want is your own really private source of funds who know you, trust you and will move quickly when you find a great deal.

Unless we are assuming existing financing, 100% of the deals we are doing now, large and small, all use our private money sources for funding.


Real Estate Investor · Los Angeles, California


Thanks, Taz. I hope to get to that point as well. I did find one private person but he flaked when I came time to write the check. Luckily I hadn't had money down yet. Best of luck.



It's not an overnight process no matter what the gurus say. The key is to network, network, network. You never know who that person standing next to you at your kids baseball or hockey game knows who could help you. Talk to everyone, shy and access to private money are seldom characteristics of the same person.


Real Estate Investor · Altus, Oklahoma


I suggest getting SEC compliant and advertise tor private money.



Mr_Investor is right.

Get deals under your belt, and go to the private sector. These things take time. Instill some confidence, and issue a junk bond. Done.

But for now, be compliant & pool the funds yourself. Don't go looking for one guy with $100k. Find 30 people with $3k. It's actually easier.

BTW, I have private capital, and I'm not a hard money lender. I do 2nd mortgages. I'm just picky.



Originally posted by Austin Irabor
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But for now, be compliant & pool the funds yourself. Don't go looking for one guy with $100k. Find 30 people with $3k. It's actually easier.
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If you do that you are not in compliance at the federal level or any state unless it is a fully registered offering.

Real Estate Investor · Fairfield, Connecticut


I agree with Taz. It is the other way around.

Pooling money is a big no, no.

Quick tips for Allen:

There are primarily 4 sources of Private Money:

1. Money under the mattress.
2. IRA accounts. Good amount of information is at trustetc.com
3. Seller financing.
4. "Cash values" of life insurance.

75% of Private Money will come from friends and family. So start being VERY nice to them, if you have not been already. LOL!

It is easier to get equity partner compared to getting a debt partner.

Equity partner will take a bigger split. Debt partner would be fine with 8%-12% return.

You don't want to have too many investors in one deal. Most states have exemption rules if you are dealing with around 8-10 investors as long as you don't pool money.

If you pool money from even two people, you have to file all kinds of state and or SEC forms.

When you mix investors from two different states, things get complicated.

Since you have good credit, you may borrow up to $25,000 at great rates from LendingClub.com. Which is basically quick Private Money or a "sob-story" :) money source. Prosper.com is bigger but it is in quiet period right now. Loanio.com is getting compliant. Zopa.com is another source which may work for some borrowers.

I wrote a book on Private Money called " Private Money: The #1 Solution to Eliminate Booms and Busts in Real Estate Forever!". The book basically has two purposes, that is:

1. Mr. Real Estate Entrepreneur say hello to Ms. Private Money and get
to know her world, especially her pain points.

2. Ms. Private Money say hello to Mr. Real Estate Entrepreneur and get
to know his world, especially what he has to offer as the best asset
class for your portfolio.

I am estimating that 80%-90% of the buyers would be Real Estate
Entrepreneurs who will either make it available to their Private Money
lenders, or to use the information in the book as talking points when
communicating with their Private Lenders.


Real Estate Investor · Los Angeles, California


Thanks, everyone. It is a tricky issue as we can see by the responses and the variance in answers. Unfortunately, being nice to all of my relatives might yield me $500. :(


Banker · Tampa Area, Florida


i like the lendingclub site...i used to go on prosper all the time, and when it froze up i had no where to look.

thanks for the site suggestion lee.


Real Estate Investor · Fairfield, Connecticut


Allen, the key is how you approach the Private Money people.

If you approach them to "borrow" from them, then you will get $500. But if you bring an opportunity to them to be a part of then you may have $50,000 chasing after you.

Again, check out LendingClub.com, etc., to start off with.

Fund deals with HUD 223F which will require only 7.5% from you. $25,000 from LendingClub will get you a $400,000 cash flow property.

Like anything else in life, "approach" is a important as "access."

Best of luck!

Lee


Commercial Lender · Houston, Texas


I have a network of private European cash investors looking for projects worldwide. If you can email Heather at [EMAIL REMOVED] or give her a call@ [PHONE NUMBER REMOVED], she will give you information about all of our programs. We have been in the business for over 20 years!


Real Estate Investor · Tennessee


Looks like prosper is back up...

http://blogs.wsj.com/wallet/2009/07/14/as-prosper-gets-the-green-light-a-comeback-for-peer-to-peer-lenders/


SFR Investor · Long Beach, California


I'm about to get into this myself and have been networking hard which has lead to getting some future meetings set up with some private equity people. I am employing two different strategies.

The first is utilizing people's IRA accounts. A self directed IRA can act as a bank. You can structure the deal how you like as long as both parties are in agreement on the terms. I use a three to five year exit strategy of buy and hold for cash flow with an eventual sale. I buy well below market so that LTV, including repairs and closing costs, is in the neighborhood of 50%-60% which is a pretty safe risk. I try not to pay too much over market in terms of interest rates so that I have a good cash flow and then when I sell, I cut them in for a percentage on the back end. When annualized together it works out to about a 15% ROI for the debt holder.

The second strategy is to approach high net worth individuals who I find out about through my CPA or attorney or through friends who are in that field. They generally know or handle people with that kind of money. These are people who often invest in muni bonds because they are considered to be a safe haven. However, with the financial issues most municipalities and states are facing, they no longer are risk free. I sell against that because in essence, they would be investing in an asset that is worth twice the loan amount and I structure the return the same as the above scenario.

It really all depends on you and how aggressive you want to be and what type of terms you want to offer. I don't want to be too greedy and at the same time show the investor some success so they will be more comfortable going into bigger deals down the line.



I am an intermediary for a very private group of investors that will lend debt, equity or a blend. We work directly with principals and you must be solvent and you must have a solid project. Higher LTV is possible with additional collateral. I can be contacted through [WEB SITE REMOVED] or emailed at [EMAIL REMOVED].

Thanks!
Angela


Hard Money Lender · West Palm Beach, Florida


Rather than trying to establish private investor relationships which as we can see can be very tricky, you may be better off working with a good seasoned hard money lender. You may find the results much more satisfying.


Private Money Lender · Denver, Colorado


Allen,

Are you trying to buy a property and hold onto it or simply flip?


Real Estate Investor · Los Angeles, California


Hi Eli,
I'm doing both. For the holds, ideally 2-4 years before I can cash them out.
Best,
Allen


Real Estate Investor · Phoenix, Arizona


Allen last posted six months back. (Oops. He just posted ahead of my post.) But this is a good thread because raising funds is a critical task for people entering the business so here are some thoughts to add to the ones already mentioned. (I am sure Steve will find other threads on this subject and post links soon!)

The first thing to keep in mind about private money is that prretty much everyone knows people who have money to invest and are looking for better returns than what they are already getting. The problem is that these same people are risk-averse and do not want to invest with an unproven person. So your first goal in raising private money would be to develop a track record of success doing things that do not require much capital - such as bird-dogging, wholesaling, short sales, etc.

As you have more and more success, it is good to talk to your friends and relatives about your successes and how much more you could have made had you had additional capital and been more involved in the deal. Over time, this will get the attention of the people in your circle of friends and people may start chatting with you about RE opportunities.

If you have good character and are trusted by others, and if you state your successes without exaggeration, you will soon find that conversations start drifting in the direction that you like - towards people wanting to do deals with you. Most people will want to get a cut of the profit as opposed to lend for interest. Many people may want to get half of your profits from the project. While this may seem like a high price to pay for funding, keep in mind that this money goes towards the equity part of your venture and you can leverage it with HML if appropriate. Also keep in mind that as a new investor, you will have higher costs of funding and you are better off with expensive money than with no money.

Once your first few investments become successful and your private money investors notice the returns, they will invest more and also talk to other people about what a great investor you are. More money will soon start coming your way and you can gradually modify the terms of the financing to reduce your funding costs.

While the approach that I have mentioned may seem slow and not very aggressive, I like it because it has the advantage of being more cautious and responsible than rushing out there to look for funds before you acquire the skills to deploy the funds in a reliable manner. Also remember that success is not something you should try to rush - it takes time and effort to be successful and a gradual approach is often the best.

Also remember to be fair and generous with your private money sources. You will make much more money in the long run if your funding sources like your attitude and trust you to be fair with them. From a personal perspective, I also think it is only decent to always give special consideration to the first few people who helped you out - either by giving them a preferential share or first dibs in a great opportunity.


Private Money Lender · Denver, Colorado


One nationwide hard money lender I have come across is 1stquickfunding.com. I haven't worked with them but it may be worth a quick look.


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