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Real Estate Investor · FL, Orlando


Any heads up as to how to ensure the listing agent comes off the Lockbox code. It seems mighty rediculous that only one agent I have spoken to has given up the lockbox code so I can have myself or a partner first hand view the property. I'm just a newbie so maybe this is general protocol..... but its a hinderance.

My objective is to make sure I get my offer in on a home faster than the slower guy.... but not having access to the inside is pretty bad IMO. I had one realtor state they couldnt meet me there for 3-4days to show it...... while another investor with more capitol to risk may already have an offer getting accepted.

Thanks as always guys/gals


Real Estate Investor · Denver, Colorado


Are you just dealing directly with the listing agent? If so, consider getting your own agent. They can get you in on your schedule.

I don't think agents are supposed to give lock box codes to non-agents.

You can always peek though the windows. I actually did buy one REO without seeing inside, except through the windows. I should say I got an accepted offer without seeing inside. I did get in after that, and could have bailed out on the inspection clause.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


Real Estate Investor · Elgin, Illinois


I believe it is a law RE agents are not to just blindly give the lock box codes to non agents. If you have a relationship with an agent...see if they will get the code for you. They can always act as your buying agent...otherwise...your reduced to peeking through windows and the like.


Real Estate Investor · Clearwater, Florida


My guess would be once you build a relationship with the REO agent, you will be trusted with the code.

Until then perhaps a buyers agent would be the way to go.


Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


It seems mighty rediculous that only one agent I have spoken to has given up the lockbox code so I can have myself or a partner first hand view the property. I'm just a newbie so maybe this is general protocol..... but its a hinderance.
Have you considered that perhaps your approach is flawed? Agents are not actually supose to give out lock box codes. In order to receive them, you must first prove your worthiness by developing a relationship with them and/or winning them over with your charm and personality.

I have brokers and agents give me codes all the time, many of which I have never met in person, but while on the phone, I prove to be a real investor, someone who can be trusted, and someone who will perform. THAT is KEY! Plus I find a way to make them like me. That always helps. :lol:

Originally posted by Jon Holdman
Are you just dealing directly with the listing agent? If so, consider getting your own agent. They can get you in on your schedule.
While that is certainly an option, it is not really the right way to go in dealing with REO's. In order to be successful, you must go direct to the listing broker to offer the opportunity for a double dip on commissions (represent the seller - the bank, and YOU, the buyer) They will always like 6% over 3%!

Small_barnardenterprisesWill Barnard, Barnard Enterprises, Inc.
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Real Estate Investor · Denver, Colorado


Originally posted by Jon Holdman
Are you just dealing directly with the listing agent? If so, consider getting your own agent. They can get you in on your schedule.
While that is certainly an option, it is not really the right way to go in dealing with REO's. In order to be successful, you must go direct to the listing broker to offer the opportunity for a double dip on commissions (represent the seller - the bank, and YOU, the buyer) They will always like 6% over 3%!

I think you may be right, Will, going direct to the listing agent is a better alternative. But for me personally, its hard to make that work. That's a lot of time talking and working directly with a lot of different agents. Tough to find that time with a full time day job, and tough for me just to talk to that many people. But I think you may be right that's a better approach.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


It seems like a lot of time Jon, but not realy. I only spend perhaps an hour or two in TOTAL on the phone with potential REO brokers each week.

Once you form the relationships, the time gets less and less. Starting off, yes you need to dedicate time to it, but that could be said about any part of RE investing - you must dedicate time if you want to be successful!

Small_barnardenterprisesWill Barnard, Barnard Enterprises, Inc.
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Real Estate Investor · sioux falls, South Dakota


I would be very upset if my listing agent on my own home was giving the lockbox code to non licensees. The person could steal things, vandalism, or leave doors unlocked or utilities on light lights and a/c which would cost me money. Rich


Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


Originally posted by Rich Weese
I would be very upset if my listing agent on my own home was giving the lockbox code to non licensees. The person could steal things, vandalism, or leave doors unlocked or utilities on light lights and a/c which would cost me money. Rich
Of course Rich, but that is your onw house, I would agree as well. We are talking about bank REO properties that are vacant and nothing really to steal. As a trusted investor, a broker gives me lock box codes because I have built a relationship with them, I proviede my Drivers License copy upon request and all my business and contact info. I also report back to them that I locked it up and secured the home. I do this right after I leave for two reasons. 1. to tell them and show them I did lock up and 2. to give them my evaluation and interest in that specific property.

I have NEVER had a problem to date.

Small_barnardenterprisesWill Barnard, Barnard Enterprises, Inc.
E-Mail: info@barnardenterprises.com
Website: http://www.barnardenterprises.com
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SFR Investor · Rancho Cucamonga, California


It seems like one of the doors is open for about 50% of the properties I go too.

I am an agent (just to sell my flips), but like everyone else said it is a big no-no and breaking real estate law to give non-agents a code.

Get your license, it's easy, or buddy up with an agent. You trying to convince them to give you the code, you're not going to get consistent results ever.


Real Estate Investor · FL, Orlando


Originally posted by nationwidepi
Originally posted by Rich Weese
I would be very upset if my listing agent on my own home was giving the lockbox code to non licensees. The person could steal things, vandalism, or leave doors unlocked or utilities on light lights and a/c which would cost me money. Rich
Of course Rich, but that is your onw house, I would agree as well. We are talking about bank REO properties that are vacant and nothing really to steal. As a trusted investor, a broker gives me lock box codes because I have built a relationship with them, I proviede my Drivers License copy upon request and all my business and contact info. I also report back to them that I locked it up and secured the home. I do this right after I leave for two reasons. 1. to tell them and show them I did lock up and 2. to give them my evaluation and interest in that specific property.

I have NEVER had a problem to date.



Exactly what I was looking for!!!!
Thanks to you.... And all the other "cup half full" 'rs in this thread.

Appreciate the community..... So far, so great


Real Estate Investor · Atlanta, Georgia


You'll soon find that the agents in your area all use the same handful of lockbox codes. In my area, there are 5 codes that will get you into about 95% of the properties...

That said, not all properties have contractor lockboxes. Many of them have the realtor lockboxes that require an electronic key, and you can only get that if you're an agent (or an agent illegally lets you borrow one).

For that reason -- along with the tens of thousands of dollars you can save/make on commissions -- you should think about getting your license.

I don't know any investor who's done it who regrets doing it...


Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


Originally posted by Steve L
You trying to convince them to give you the code, you're not going to get consistent results ever.
This statement is obviously made without any foundation. I have personal experience and past history that shows that I have been successful at this, day in, day out. That is consistant results that contradicts your statement.

Small_barnardenterprisesWill Barnard, Barnard Enterprises, Inc.
E-Mail: info@barnardenterprises.com
Website: http://www.barnardenterprises.com
info@barnardenterprises.com


SFR Investor · Rancho Cucamonga, California


Originally posted by nationwidepi
Originally posted by Steve L
You trying to convince them to give you the code, you're not going to get consistent results ever.
This statement is obviously made without any foundation. I have personal experience and past history that shows that I have been successful at this, day in, day out. That is consistant results that contradicts your statement.


So every agent you call gives you their listing lock box combos? I would agree that agents you already have a relationship with will, and some agents will. But there is a percentage of agents that will never EVER do this.

I've had conversations with many listing agents when it comes to time to get the combo, many hesitate if I haven't told them I am licensed already.


Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


So every agent you call gives you their listing lock box combos? I would agree that agents you already have a relationship with will, and some agents will. But there is a percentage of agents that will never EVER do this.
Let me explain more clearly. I don't shop the MLS so I am not constantly calling agents I don't already know. Therefore, most of the time I get a property, it is from one of the many top REO brokers I have built a relationship with.
On the other hand, I do drive neighborhoods and locate new REO properties that will be coming to the market (pre-MLS) and then search for the listing broker contact info. When I call them, I have a very fluid and good conversation with them, not just about the subject property, but about me, what I do, what I am looking for, etc. They realize right off the bat that I am a knowledgable and experienced investor who can be trusted and I offer proof. DO everyone of them immediately give me lock box combos? - No, but a larger majority still do. For those that have not, they meet me at the subject property and then meet ME in person. I have NEVER not gotton the lock box upon property #2 from them!

My point is, if you know what you are doing and what to say, and just as with negotiations, you make the other party "like you", you can be successful getting lockbox combos without a RE sales license. You all are welcome to get a license as another resolution, I prefer not to.

Happy investing. :lol:

Small_barnardenterprisesWill Barnard, Barnard Enterprises, Inc.
E-Mail: info@barnardenterprises.com
Website: http://www.barnardenterprises.com
info@barnardenterprises.com



Hey guys,

Today, after following some of the instructions given buy Will and others on working with REO agents directly, the following happened :

I contacted an agent and explained what I wanted to do. We had good conversation which went beyond the initial conversation and into our local market, what's happening, what's coming, etc..

It really was just a good conversation and turned into that once she realized I had some good knowledge and knew what I was talking about.

To make a long story shorter, I let her know that I wanted to be as efficient as possible and that I would really be interested in making offers on properties that had not hit the MLS. Her response, "well actually, I have one that just came in this morning and it's not listed yet but will probably will be on Thursday. Take down the address and take a look" I then asked, "Will I meet you there or can I just take a look myself?" She said, "no,.no, I'll just give you the lock box code"

My jaw dropped...lol!

So, it really is very possible even for a newbie like me. I plan on doing this over and over again until I have a solid number of brokers sending me pre-listed REO's

BTW, a great way to find these good REO agents is to go to the bigger bank web sites,,look for the REO property's available in your county and cross reference the REO broker (Real Estate Co) which comes up the most. Call them and introduced yourself and begin to establish a relationship.

I have done this twice already and the second REO broker I contacted I will meet up with this coming Monday for coffee.

Thanks again for all the good info guys...

Why do I feel I have to start paying someone??


Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


Congrats William, see what just one tidbit of info from someone who knows what they are doing can do to help improve your business! Your votes are appreciated.
Keep up the good work.

Small_barnardenterprisesWill Barnard, Barnard Enterprises, Inc.
E-Mail: info@barnardenterprises.com
Website: http://www.barnardenterprises.com
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Originally posted by Will Barnard

Originally posted by Jon Holdman
Are you just dealing directly with the listing agent? If so, consider getting your own agent. They can get you in on your schedule.

While that is certainly an option, it is not really the right way to go in dealing with REO's. In order to be successful, you must go direct to the listing broker to offer the opportunity for a double dip on commissions (represent the seller - the bank, and YOU, the buyer) They will always like 6% over 3%!

That is terrible advice. The listing agent represents the bank and owes fiduciary accountability to the bank alone. The listing agent is NOT your agent. He/She does NOT represent you and is NOT looking out for your best interest. If you are willing to negotiate everything on your own and understand that you will have NOBODY representing your best interests in the transaction then by all means attempt to do it this way. It is almost always better to have someone representing your best interests.


Residential Real Estate Agent · Springfield, New Jersey


Ha ha...great thread people. You can sing and dance and do whatever you think you need to in order to get lockbox codes. It really depends on the agent. I DO NOT give out lock box codes to investors even if I've sold them ten properties, and I'll tell you why: The bank's asset managers are checking their properties. Yes, believe it. If the property isn't cleaned, or doesn't have the proper lockbox code, or if anything they require is out of place, the listing gets pulled and assigned to another broker. A Fannie Mae rep in my area actually puts his card in the property. So, if a buyer is in one of my REO listings without an agent, and happens to reveal that I gave out the code when a bank rep shows up...not only will I lose the listing, but probably any future listings with that company. Also, if you want to see a property immediately because you may want to make an offer immediately, don't you think I had better make myself available immediately to meet you there? And if you're an experienced investor, I know you are bringing your checkbook and proof of funds. There are other reasons...liability, etc...not to mention yes, doors get left open, lights on, and so on.
These banks have gotten very strict about utilities being on, lockbox codes, signage, marketing materials. I check my properties constantly because big brother is watching. Having a relationship with a good agent is just as good if not better than getting that code. Investors that work with me likely saw the house before it was listed anyway, and got a call from me within minutes after it was listed.


Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


Originally posted by Jeff Hennessey
Originally posted by Will Barnard

Originally posted by Jon Holdman
Are you just dealing directly with the listing agent? If so, consider getting your own agent. They can get you in on your schedule.

While that is certainly an option, it is not really the right way to go in dealing with REO's. In order to be successful, you must go direct to the listing broker to offer the opportunity for a double dip on commissions (represent the seller - the bank, and YOU, the buyer) They will always like 6% over 3%!

That is terrible advice. The listing agent represents the bank and owes fiduciary accountability to the bank alone. The listing agent is NOT your agent. He/She does NOT represent you and is NOT looking out for your best interest. If you are willing to negotiate everything on your own and understand that you will have NOBODY representing your best interests in the transaction then by all means attempt to do it this way. It is almost always better to have someone representing your best interests.

Jeff, you are certainly entitled to your opinion but you are arguing with a proven method. I agree that the list broker has fiduciary responsibility to the bank, however, as an investor, one should be familiar enough with purchase and sales agreements and how to protect oneself rather than relying on some agent to do so. PSA's are very simple and with REO's, the only other major factor is the addendums, of which, an investor should also be familiar with.

I have purchased many REOs over the last few years and have given the listing broker both sides almost everytime. Agent representation/protection for my best interests is not a concern for an investor who knows what they are doing.

Now, if the investor is green and completely new buying their first REO, then perhaps having someone in their corner would be a good idea (but that could be accomplished by using an attorney!

Small_barnardenterprisesWill Barnard, Barnard Enterprises, Inc.
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