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Hello, I'm working out of our capital city here St. Paul which has the most investors. I'm looking to wholesale these by double closing. The problem is with St. Paul they have a thing called "code compliance" and most of the properties that are in the price range for the investor is "category 2" which means that the buyer needs get a contractor's bid and show proof of funds that they are able to fix everything on the code compliance. Then it needs to be approved by the city. Has anyone dealt with this? Showing proof of funds for the fix up are a problem right now. Any advice would be appreciated.


· Twin Cities, Minnesota


Greg,
This is a problem in Mlps/St Paul, and also in many other markets that have code enforcement and rental license inspections. I had a friend that purchased an apartment building in Mlps this spring that ended up spending more than 100k on code compliance issues to get a provisional rental license reinstated prior to closing on the property. It was a cart before the horse situation, the city revoked the rental license of the previous owner due to so many repairs needed, but the banks wouldn't finance without the license. If it weren't a bank owned property with an established well respected Mlps landlord, the deal could not have been done. In that situation I don't know if there is any way you could have wholesaled the property.

With the really bad properties that need lots of code work, a cash buyer is about the only ones that can touch them unless you have a private money source or short term HML or transaction money where you can provide the proof of cash available to perform and the repairs are not required before closing.



I can use this Hard Money PoF that the Reo rockstar provides to do this? The inspector will see this, so I'm wondering how we would do a double close on these. Will the end buyer need to get it approved as well? So confusing.. Thanks


· Twin Cities, Minnesota


The title company would have troubles if both buyers didn't have the documentation from the city when closing the deal. So yes, the end buyer needs to show proof of funds as well.

I think you would be better off assigning the contract taking your fee, before they close. You the, end buyer and the city should be working together to get the deal done. Transparency is the only way you will be able to do this successfully more than once, because when the city finds out what you have done, you won't likely get another prelim code compliance document for closing.



Problem is, the banks won't allow assignments.


Real Estate Investor · Grants Pass, Oregon


Originally posted by Greg Park
I can use this Hard Money PoF that the Reo rockstar provides to do this? The inspector will see this, so I'm wondering how we would do a double close on these. Will the end buyer need to get it approved as well? So confusing.. Thanks

Unless I'm missing something here your C Buyer doesn't need to provide POF since he will be buying from you, not the bank. Your buying from the bank therefore you need to provide the POF for the A (the bank) to B (You) side of the transaction.

Ideally your B to C side of the transaction will be all cash or HML. I agree with Mike about transparency, but ultimately your buyer is going to be the one to Rehab the home so they need to be the one dealing with code enforcement.

Jeff


Real Estate Investor · Audubon, Pennsylvania


Just my opinion here: There will be two closings, and everybody buying in that chain of title will be required to comply with the code enforcement restriction. The restriction requires proof of funding to fix it up to a contractor's estimate, so that will be required by any buyer - including the "B" middleman.

Figure out some way to not be in the chain of title to avoid this.


Real Estate Investor · Grants Pass, Oregon


Originally posted by Steve Babiak
Just my opinion here: There will be two closings, and everybody buying in that chain of title will be required to comply with the code enforcement restriction. The restriction requires proof of funding to fix it up to a contractor's estimate, so that will be required by any buyer - including the "B" middleman.

Figure out some way to not be in the chain of title to avoid this.

That's an interesting point Steve, I think you might be correct because you would have to follow all the rules to close the A to B side of the transaction. That makes it a little more difficult but still do-able.

If it were me I would make sure I had a HML lined up so I could close on it myself in case your buyer backed out....that is if the deal made sense. One positive is that jumping through the extra hoops will score you points with your buyer.

Jeff


Real Estate Consultant · yucaipa, California


These types of new ordinances and rules are happening most everywhere. The reason behind most of them is that the city wants to see a home owner in that property not a renter. Investors are turning what once was a stable family neighborhood into an unstable rental community. The rules are being created because of that fact. To add insult to injury. Double closings will soon become a thing of the past. Already new laws to stop it , here in Ca. are being put into place.


Real Estate Investor · Milwaukee, Wisconsin


It might not be such a bad thing to get rid of the double close. In my area, it has just made banks more sour on investors because there are so many noobs running around calling themselves REIs and giving a bad name to us buy and hold guys that make up the majority of our profession.


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