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Real Estate Investor · Tampa, Florida


I am looking at a 120 acre parcel which is zoned Ag. I am thinking about carving it up to create 5 acre tracts to sell. Buyers could then put a mobile home on their tract and that would be consistent with the other smaller tracts surrounding this one.

I have been told that it would be a good idea to go ahead and get the parcel changed to residential zoning. However, when I spoke to the county zoning administrator, he stated that a mobile home could go on a 5 acre tract with the current zoning of Ag. Is there any valid reason for changing the zoning to residential if it is not necessary for the intended use?


Real Estate Investor · Southlake, Texas


In Tx you can be outside the city limits but inside what is called the city's etj (extra territorial jurisdiction). If you are in the etj, then you may have to go through the city's zoning process. I would tend to not change zoning if the county allows for 5 acre MH sites. Typically, property zoned ag would be valued less than residential.

Does Fla have a rollback tax on property that loses an ag exemption?

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Real Estate Investor · Tampa, Florida


Thanks Tod,

I guess perhaps that's what they were thinking... that the property would be worth more as a residential tract and that it would therefore be more beneficial to me. But I just couldn't see the reason of going through the trouble rezoning, so I was wanting another perspective.

I'm not sure about your rollback tax question. I'll have to check on that.



I would be sure to double check those assumptions,,since they havent put those in writting,right?

everywhere is different. 'here' NO mobile homes anywhere,period AND only one house per 40 to 80 acres,,,so if one is built thats it for that piece of land.UNLESS a subdivision is created meaning who is putting in roads,water and sewer concerns,,,LOTS of red tape

I cant believe your area is LESS restrictive.

they have rules we havent even heard of yet,here!!

better check with a couple someones who has done it recently AND then go in with eyes wide open.

Developing land just isnt that easy!!! And thats basicly what your doing.

hope it works but somebody saying you dont have to,,,just sounds so wrong!!(do they really KNOW what your trying to do??)


Real Estate Investor · Tampa, Florida


Just Don, thanks for the insight and comments.

This parcel is located in rural central FL and all of the tracts surrounding this parcel are 5-10 acres… most with mobile homes, one with a SFH, and a couple are vacant. So putting up mobile homes is actually right in line with what the county would want you to do with this land.

And it was actually the county zoning administrator who said that that the zoning need not be changed. I explained to him exactly what I potentially wanted to do, and that's what he claimed.

I did leave a message with the main person in the Planning Department earlier today. I need to ask her about the subdivision regulations, so when I do talk with her I'll also be able to confirm (or invalidate) what the zoning guy told me.

You're right, developing land isn't something that is easy. I am just starting to get some preliminary information to see if this particular tract is worth pursuing.


Real Estate Consultant · Miami, Florida


Kim,

I have been in the lending industry for many years, from a lending stand point AG is considered be a higher risk & underwriting tends to be much more conservative on AG zoning versus commercial or residential zoning i.e. lenders in this market may lend on land up to a 50% leverage, however, AG zoning the leverage will be held to 25%-30%. The underwriting thought is that there is a smaller market of buyers for AG zoned land & the usage is somewhat restricted to what these potential buyers may do with that land. Bottom line in the event of a foreclosure/fire sale of the land the lender most likely would have to make some large concessions to move the asset off their books. I hope this helps going into & out of this asset.

Best of Luck,

Dave


Real Estate Investor · Tampa, Florida


Dave,

Thanks much for the feedback. Understanding a lender's point of view on this is extremely helpful.


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I like the ag for a 5 acre, because they can be sold as ranchettes. In ag zoning, people can have a horse, or a flock of chickens.

People who are not interested in country living don't buy 5 acre parcels. People who are interested in country living aren't so much interested in a place where they are not allowed to live like they are in the country.

They rarely actually get that flock of chickens, so livestock doesn't turn into a problem. If you are doing the subdivision, you can put CCRs into place that forbid pigs, donkeys, and roosters.


Real Estate Investor · Tampa, Florida


another angle to consider...

thanks


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