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Real Estate Investor · Lakeview, New York


When calling FSBO'S, what does one say? Now don't get me wrong I certainly have an idea, but just checking to see if I'm on the right page?...get property info, and conversationally try to gauge motivation. Do you tell them your an investor, with buyers in place looking for homes in their area. I thought someone might have a magic "line/phrase" they use. Again just covering my bases...thanks


Real Estate Investor · Oklahoma City, Oklahoma


My advanced reply is Where and how much...lol
I do not think a lot care if you say if you are an investor, could probably just say you looking for a house to buy and theirs looked like a possibility. If I call a seller I usually just tell them that I need Price your are selling the house, how many bedrooms and bathrooms you have. Others have their own way and you will probably get you own as well. You can make your own line and try it out on a few sellers and see if it works for you. :type:


Real Estate Investor · Grants Pass, Oregon


Originally posted by Norm Chrostowski
When calling FSBO'S, what does one say? Now don't get me wrong I certainly have an idea, but just checking to see if I'm on the right page?...get property info, and conversationally try to gauge motivation. Do you tell them your an investor, with buyers in place looking for homes in their area. I thought someone might have a magic "line/phrase" they use. Again just covering my bases...thanks



Depends on the deal. Most FSBO's in my area are not good enough to be Wholesaled but may make for a good Lease Option. First thing I do is run the address through county records and find out if they have equity. Keep in mind this is only relevant if they have not pulled money out with a refi.

That being said, if you can negotiate a good enough deal you can pretty much wholesale any home. There is no magic words, different situations and people will dictate the conversation. I would suggest just asking questions to see if they are truly motivated to sell. On FSBO's I only tell them I'm an investor if they ask how soon your looking to buy or something like that, then my response is "I'm considering this as an investment".

Jeff


Real Estate Investor · Rochester Hills, Michigan


I would concentrate more on listening then on what to say to be honest. As a question then be quiet. As KnickKnack said above you want to gauge their motivation.

Once you know why they are selling and when they have to be out you can really run with that info.

As for saying your an investor - I generally do not use that word as that may make them think I am made of money and will pay more - but I do let them know I buy homes or put them under contract - whatever I was trying to do with that one.

But I find most investors say and talk to much.


Real Estate Investor · Grants Pass, Oregon


Originally posted by Scott M.

But I find most investors say and talk to much.


Bingo! That's not just for investing either, that is true in any kind of sale. Listening is by far the best way as Scott pointed out. Asking open ended questions (Who, what, when, where and why) and keeping your mouth shut and your ears open will always be more effective then doing all the talking.

Jeff


Real Estate Investor · Lakeview, New York


Thank you for all the responses.

Where in county records does it tell you if they have equity? I heard this many times, but can't seem to find it on my county records site?


Real Estate Investor · Grants Pass, Oregon


Originally posted by Norm Chrostowski
Thank you for all the responses.

Where in county records does it tell you if they have equity? I heard this many times, but can't seem to find it on my county records site?


Norm,

What you want to do is look online for your county tax assessor site. In my county I can put in the address and it will tell me who owns it, when they bought and for how much. I also get their mailing address on the same site. It helps for other things too like square footage, lot size and year built.

Jeff


Real Estate Investor · Rochester Hills, Michigan


QUOTE: Where in county records does it tell you if they have equity?

REPLY: You don't :)

As Jeff said you can find general info about a property but you will not find any info in the county records that says this home has equity - that would be nice though :)

Equity is a funny thing and many on here may have an opinion but Equity on paper is the difference between what it is "worth" (lots of definitions of that) and what you paid (or owe). Equity in your pocket is the difference between what you paid (or owe) and what someone else will pay.


Real Estate Investor · Rochester Hills, Michigan


PS - and how you determine that is also a subject of some debate. You can pull comps, have a realtor do that or talk to an appraiser to give you the "value" and the difference between that and what your going to pay is your paper equity.


Real Estate Investor · Grants Pass, Oregon


Scott is right on the money, it (or anything else) won't tell you how much equity is in the home, only what they paid.

Finding out how much they paid is helpful but as I stated earlier, it does not factor in if they pulled money out of the home and in fact owe more on the home then county records show. I'm finding this all over my area.

I found one I thought was a sure thing, home was bought for $27k, comps put it in at $195k...sounds great right? The part I did not know until a little more digging is that this guy pulled out a TON of cash at some point and (not sure exactly how much) it is now a short sale. He had equity and pulled it out of the home creating a mortgage that today is more then the value of the home. Go figure. Just be smart and use county records for the basics.

Jeff


Residential Real Estate Broker · Durham, North Carolina


If your Register of Deeds is online, you can also search the owners name to find the recorded mortgage[s] against the property. It's not foolproof, but it can give you a general idea.


Wholesaler · Amarillo, Texas


99% of FSBO's are a waste of time to find a wholesale deal. Well let me say FSBO's with a sign in the yard and who are doing marketing. I have gotten some deals that had little tiny FSBO signs in the window, but normally if there's a sign in the yard then its not a deal.

They are good practice, though, for the real deals. Getting comfortable asking sellers questions and listening is something you need to learn to do, and practicing on FSBO's is as good as anyone. Its not as important that you use the exact right words or even ask the right questions necessarily. What's important is that you get the information you need.

The primary information you need is how much equity they have and their motivation level. Equity and motivation. That's what wholesaling is all about.

Try to determine the equity they have by how long they've owned the property and/or what they owe on the property along with the estimated repairs factored in. "How long have you owned the property?" is a simple enough question that many times leads to a rabbit hole of information.

If they bought it last year, then I know its probably a no deal, but if their grandpa owned it for 25 years and left it to them when he died then I know I'm talking to someone with equity. Many times people will freely tell you if they owe anything on the property and how much they owe if they do owe anything.

Repair estimates can be determined by asking "How's the roof? the plumbing? the kitchen?" or "Does the bathroom need any updating or remodeling?" Most of the time they will understate the repairs needed so factor that in. It will be uglier than they portray it as.

As for trying to research IF they have equity without talking to the seller directly, it depends somewhat on your market. In my market, which has been fairly stable with a 3-5% appreciation rate over the last 20+ years, a house that was bought over 10 years ago will normally have enough equity for me to be able to buy it at a low enough price to wholesale it. So when I'm researching a property, if the last deed date was before 2000 then I know I have the potential of equity.

Now determining motivation is garnered from asking "When do you need to sell it?" and/or "How much do you need to get for it?" The answer to these questions gives you a very good idea of what they're motivation level is.

You are looking for MOTIVATED sellers with EQUITY. The best call is from someone who says "Yeah my dad paid it off years ago before he died and I need to sell it as soon as possible."


Real Estate Investor · Lakeview, New York


Thanks Ryan.

I actually called 4 today. Absolutely no motivation at all. One of the questions I also ask is how did they come up with the price? RE agent (mls)?...a friend helped 'em, internet search? You can tell if it's a relatively real comp, or it's something they just kinda made up based on what the news paper says, just by how they fumble around to answer you. Not going to waste too much time on these. If I see them, I'll call them. But I'm not going to go out of my way to find them.

Where ya been Ryan?

Again thanks everyone for there "take".

Norm


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