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Matthew M.Ft. Worth, Texas |
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Believe it or not, I'm actually considering this. My father-in-law owns a house he is interested in selling that I think would make an excellent rental property. He's owned the property for 10 years. According to county records, this piece of property has had only 2 prior owners: my father-in-law's father, and HIS father. It's hard to imagine a more risk-free property to buy w/o title insurance. Title insurance in Texas is quite expensive. I'm debating whether or not I might want to save $700 by not getting this insurance. So, knowing this will spark a healthy and educational debate... what do y'all think? |
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Ryan W.Real Estate Investor Amarillo, Texas |
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I would at least have a title company run a title search for you. It usually runs about $50. It will tell who is in title and what liens/encumbrances are showing on it. It won't provide any insurance of title but it'll give you a good idea that everything is clear. |
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Matthew M.Ft. Worth, Texas |
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Yes, that would definitely be in the plan. Good point. |
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Jay F.Real Estate Investor East Lyme, CT |
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It hard to imagine it not being worth $700? How much is the house worth and selling for?
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Pat Z.Real Estate Consultant Las Vegas, NV |
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You may want to check with an attorney on that one. I have been told that once you break the chain of title the title will become unmarketable which means that you may have a problem selling it. I don't know this to be true but it would probably be in your best interest to check it out. |
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Richard W.Real Estate Investor Las Vegas, Nevada |
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How would he be breaking the chain of title? Title insurance is optional. It is certainly one of the least expensive forms of insurance because the risk to the insurer is extremely low. I still wouldn’t want to be without it to save a few dollars. 8) |
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Ryan W.Real Estate Investor Amarillo, Texas |
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Having a cloud or having a " break" on the chain of title definitely makes it extremely difficult to sell a property, but not not getting title insurance on a property when you buy it doesn't necessarily mean you will have any title problems. When a title company issues title insurance they will do a title search on the property to make sure that the title is clear. The title insurance is merely an insurance policy against any clouds in the title that the title company may have missed when they did their search. Either way title insurance will insure that you have clear title, but not getting title insurance doesn't mean you have bad title. It just means you don't have insurance guaranteeing good title. |
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Matthew M.Ft. Worth, Texas |
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In the end, I do agree with this. I was just curious on getting others' opinions. (I didn't know the exact price of the title insurance until I looked it up when starting this thread. That would be on a $80K house.) |
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Ned C.Maryland |
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A title search doesn't just check ownership it checks liens too. Based on the number of sellers that convieniently " forget" that they had a second mortgage, or their sister was on the deed etc. I can't fathom NOT having title insurance. |
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Nick C.Real Estate Investor IL |
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Well, " normally" , I would wake up in a cold sweat if I was even DREAMING of buying a property without title insurance, lol. Having said that, if your father and grandpa are the only people who have owned the house, I'd say maybe go without it, as long as you TRUST them both! (I'm in the middle of a deal right now where the family is fighting and backstabbing each other over a few $, so you never know) I would definitely have a title check though, there can be a mechanics lien or something goofy... Nick |
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Jason H.Real Estate Coach Oakton, VA |
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I would get title insurance no matter what. Of course we are entrepreneurs and are all about taking risks. But this would be a dumb one to take. You need to think of the big picture: It is much better to spend a few hundred dollars up front, than to lose thousands over a problem with the title. On all of your properties you should get the insurance-just chalk it up as the cost of doing business. Jason R. Hanson |
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Grand W.Real Estate Investor Louisville, Kentucky |
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The 2 rules of title insurance.... 1) Always get title insurance. Always. No exceptions under any circumstances. Get title insurance 100% of the time. 2) Refer to rule #1. |
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Robin V.Real Estate Investor Reading, Pennsylvania |
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No title insurance???? YIKES!!! Nope, would not do it never, never, never. Had what appeared to be a great deal go bad when the title search found an IRS lein against the property from 3 owners prior to the current one. The guy died, the property during his ownership was placed into a trust for his kids, divorce ocurred, the guy died, yada, yada, yada. Long story short no good deal. The transacations took place between several people with out title insurance being purchased by several owners. Now the current owner is stuck and the property will probably go to tax sale because she does not want it. Hope the new buyer does a title search on it. Only question is how risky of an investor are you?? I try to always minimize my risks even if it means spending a buck or two. Robin |
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Ralph S.Real Estate Investor Chesapeake, Virginia |
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Bought a rental from a brother-in-law. He was retiring and selling off his rentals. He paid off a land contract long ago. We ordered Title Insurance and found that the guy he bought it from had never filed a satisfaction of mortgage. Previous seller/lien holder had also moved away to parts unknown. Took two months to track him down and several threats by our lawyer to get title squared away. While ordering a title search would have shown the same thing, I always get the insurance. It's cheap protection, family or not. According to county records, this piece of property has had only 2 prior owners: my father-in-law's father, and HIS father. Yee-Ouch! You could be buying a family heirloom first, an investment property second. And with heirlooms, all the sibling/family rivalries, claims of favoritism and perceived debt that go along with them. Here's wishing you have a very thick skin, your wife is an only child and she has very mature family members (her aunts, uncles and cousins who might also love to keep grandpa's or great-grandpa's property in the family). Good luck. |
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Jason F.Real Estate Investor Gainesville, FL |
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Just because someone didn't own the property doesn't mean they can't sue you for it. Yeah, the claim to title may be completely ridiculous but it will still have it's day in court. If you aren't a lawyer you are probably going to need to hire one which is going to be far more expensive than $700. Fact is, I could sue you right now for that property even if I never owned it. Will I win? No. Will it cost you money to fight it? Yes. Title Insurance pays the attorney's to fight the good fight. I will NEVER buy a property without title insurance. Now property insurance, that's a different story. |
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Ricky O.Real Estate Investor Houston, Texas |
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Title Insurance is like a pre-paid legal fee. If it goes to court, the title company will legally represent you for however long it takes to clear up the matter. Without the insurance, your attorney would go through $700 fees in a week. |
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Josh G.Banker Florida |
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Without the insurance, your attorney would go through $700 fees in a week. or a couple of hours
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nationwidepiReal Estate Investor Santa Clarita, California |
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Yes, 2.2 hours.
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