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Posted about 10 years ago

The Challenge of Out of State Investing in Indianapolis

I admire the courage many of you out of state Indianapolis investors have. Hopefully someday I have the knowledge and experience one needs to invest out of state. For now, I’m slowly starting to figure out the hundreds of little pockets that make up the 368.1 square miles of Indianapolis. I live here so that helps. Keep in mind I left out the suburbs of Indianapolis when calculating the square miles. So the Indianapolis market is much larger than 368.1 square miles. I’m just starting my investment journey. However, in the past eight months I’ve learned quite a bit by focusing on building my Indianapolis lead funnel through direct mail marketing, and finding a few mentors with decades of investing experience.

The biggest challenge to investing in Indianapolis is that it takes a long time to learn the market, and the only way to learn is to get out there on foot. What many out of state Indianapolis investors might not realize about Indy is that the market and demographics of a neighborhood can change drastically from one block to the next. In Indianapolis, it’s not enough to simply know the buying and selling trends of a zip code, township, or neighborhood. You have to know how the market changes from one square block to the next. I've often thought about what to do with these houses that are this close to a desirable pocket of homes in Indianapolis.

My marketing produces a phone call from an absentee owner who is looking to sell his house fast because he is tired of being a landlord and the house has been vacant for a few months. I pull up your mapping software and you’re stoked because the property appears to be a few blocks from a great neighborhood with loads of owner occupants. We all know that finding a good neighborhood is half the battle! I schedule an appointment to view the house. While driving through the neighborhood I realize that the subject property and the other surrounding properties aren’t nearly as nice as the homes 500 yards down the road. In fact they are nowhere close. No worries I say to myself, I’ll still have a look. I'm in luck! The property smells like pet urine. Many investors refer to pet urine as the smell of money! It’s still not enough though. The neighborhood is a ghost town and no matter how many stainless steel appliances and granite counter tops I put into the property I know it won’t rent long term. No tenant of sound mind would want to live in a neighborhood full of vandalized properties. Someone once said that no matter how many updates you make to a house it will be hard to find a good tenant if that tenant feels unsafe in the property. What are my options then?

Well…I know the deal looks good on paper. You could buy it for $10,000, and give it a quick makeover by putting $15,000 into it. Then, I could rent it to a less than desirable tenant for $700 a month because market rent 500 yards up the road is $900 a month. I just have to hope that this less than desirable tenant stays in the property long enough for me to sell the deal turnkey to an unknowing, naïve, and inpatient out of state Indianapolis investor for $35,000, netting me $10,000 in profit. How can savvy out of state investor pass on such a pretty property filled with stainless steel and granite, that is renting at 2% of purchase price? Because a few months down the road the out of state investor will be stuck with a property that is sure to have an enormous vacancy rate.

Out of state Indianapolis investors can avoid making that mistake by working with reputable and local property managers, real estate agents, wholesalers, and turnkey companies that operate with integrity and with their clients best interest in mind. You should make sure your team is on the ground in Indianapolis regularly. Also, take the time to truly get to know the team you’re thinking about working with. Build a relationship slowly, until you feel comfortable investing your hard earned money. Resist the urge to buy all your deals strictly on the numbers that are advertised to you. There are plenty of deals to be had in Indianapolis. Just know the market! Or find someone you can trust that knows the market.


Comments (17)

  1. I notice these posts are over 3 years ago. What is the current climate for buying/investing in rental properties in Indy? What are some good areas/neighborhoods? I'm a first-time investor so I'm looking for properties 50K and under. 


  2. The key to out of state investing is getting yourself aligned with the right folks on the ground. If your aligned with the right people its very profitable. The wrong people and you will loose some serious cash. I had a lady call me today. She was from Boston, apparently she was talked into buying some garbage properties on the East Side of Cleveland wanted me to go in and renovate them and get them rented. The houses are literally in the worst place you can ever buy a house. If she gave me them for free I would not want them. These properties had code violations etc etc The rehab could end up being double what they are worth. I had explain to her the best option was to sell every single one at a loss. Anything else is like throwing that cash on a bonfire.


    1. If only these people had posted on Bigger Pockets asking "is this a good deal?"


    2. Your story was big motivation for me writing this article. There are a lot of investors interested in Indianapolis turn-key providers and I was hoping that this article would motivate them to find good people they can trust on the ground.


  3. There are a ton of BP investors looking at Indy who really need to read what you are writing....to be successful, you really need to know your city block by block...and a 100 yards can make a huge difference. Happy Investing!


  4. @ Ben G. Nice post and very well written. I am currently looking to start investing out of state (flipping in Sacramento kind of tough nowadays), and Indy is one of my market choices. I'd love to connect with you! Thanks a whole lot and Best of Luck!


  5. Wow, mind blowing and truely resonates. Thanks a lot. IJ


    1. I'm glad you enjoyed the post Ij O. Best of luck in your investment pursuits.


  6. Hey Ben! Nice post - I agree! Call me at 888-508-9653. I am looking for a larger apartment community as part of a syndicate and Indianapolis is one of the markets on my radar. I'd love to chat and perhaps come down and spend a day driving with you. Looking forward to chatting, Ben


    1. Thank you Ben, but I still have a lot of work to do to write as clearly and concisely as you do. In fact, I'm not even sure I couldn't ever write as well as you. It must come naturally. I'd love to drive around Indianapolis with you.


  7. OK trying again hehe do not hit enter. ) I was about to say I liked your Blog. I am actively looking into out of state investing. I am going for C properties in the under $30,000 range. I have bought 1 house and will be looking to buy more soon. The current renter has been in the property for about 5 years and has only had a $30 a month raise since starting. There is work that will need to be done this summer but nothing major. It is a small lower end house in a nice area. I hope to get a larger nicer house for my next one.


    1. I'm glad that you have had success with under 30k investing. By no means do I want to imply that it's not possible to have success with it. With the right team in place out of town then it is possible to have success. Always do your due diligence which I'm sure you already know with the success you've had in REI.


  8. Hey Ben,


  9. Ben, there is definitely a market for war zones. It's not one I choose to take part in but some people like them because of the cheap prices. It's the same reason they like Detroit. As a wholesaler, I'm not sure you have to avoid them if you have buyers that are looking specifically for them and no what they are buying. If you're not selling a turn key, any headaches aren't your headaches. Give me a call sometime and I'll tell you what areas I like. If you're getting leads pouring in I'd love to see if they fit our criteria.


    1. Mike that's good to hear. I have recently been getting a lot of leads in Center Township which as you know a lot of investors avoid in Indianapolis. I hate for those leads to go to waste if there is a market for war zone leads I have the leads now I just need to find those investors. PM me with the best time to reach.


  10. Mike D'Arrigo Thank you. Yes, that seems to be my biggest challenge when the leads pour in. Still learning the market, I'm sure there is a market for some war zone properties, but I'm not sure I want to deal with the headaches.


  11. Great post. You're dead on. Indy is a great cash flow market but you have to know what you're doing and where to invest.