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Posted almost 9 years ago

Auction.com, Hubzu & Homesearch- What You Have to Know.

As investors, there are a lot of different avenues when it comes to acquiring properties. Whether you’re a landlord looking for your next rental or a rehabber looking for the next flip chances are you’ve stumbled across these properties. While these homes are tempting with their low starting bid amounts, if you’ve never scored a deal through an online real estate auction site- here are 12 things you should know.

1.) Contrary to popular belief these types of online auctions are not foreclosure auctions unless it’s specifically listed as a trustee sale; they’re not a substitute for the good ol’ bidding war on the county courthouse steps. These properties have already been taken back by the bank and are considered REO properties.

2.) The starting bid on the auction website and the MLS list price (if applicable) are meaningless. The bank has a reserve price they are looking to get for the property. Sometimes they will furnish this information, but in most cases this information is not made public to bidders. This amount is set by the bank’s asset manager.

3.) Before you can even bid, Auction.com & Homesearch.com require a $2500 deposit so have your credit card in hand as they will place a hold on your funds.

4.) There are buyer premiums- they range from 3%-5% and they base that on the winning bid amount. Also, some of these also charge a technology fee and other misc. fees. These “premiums” are non-negotiable. Account for all of these when running your numbers because they can result in a huge chunk of cash.

5.) Some properties on these websites offer NO contingencies- this includes inspection contingencies. Conduct your inspection prior to bidding if this is the case. Some may be occupied & if so you will have no physical access to the property. If you’re fortunate enough to have found one that allows an inspection contingency, some may not activate all utilities.

6.) Some of these properties call for cash only- and they mean dollar bills in your account. If you win an auction for cash only property, you will have to provide a bank statement showing you have the funds to close.

7.) The bank is allowed to bid against you. It’s listed in their disclaimers.

8.) Just because you’re the highest bidder does not mean you’ve won the property. Even if the reserve was not met- they still could call you and try to negotiate a deal.

9.) If you can’t close on time, be prepared to shell out some big bucks for an extension. Amounts vary and will be listed in the purchase agreement.

10.) If you purchase an occupied property, you may inherit a tenant or the owner.

11.) If you’ve won the auction, a service rep will contact you right away. A lengthy purchase agreement will be emailed to you and will be required to be sent back within 24-48 hours. With that, you’ll receive instructions on how to send your certified earnest money deposit that will vary between 3-5% of winning bid amount.

12.) If the reserve wasn’t met during the auction you will most likely see these properties cycle through many auctions and come back at different prices which may be higher or lower than before.

Despite all the hoops, these sites can be a great source for deals and as always be sure to stick to your numbers.

If you have experience with these types of real estate auction sites- what else would you add?

- Lisa Kohl is a real estate investor and owner of REI friendly We Know Boise Real Estate team in Boise, Idaho.


Comments (48)

  1. This was quite helpful including all of the comments.  Many thanks!


  2. @Joe Ebanks They will usually disclose prior to the auction as to what type of deed you'll be receiving which will help answer whether or not to get an attorney or title company involved. On most sites, they will provide a link as to what type of title you can expect to receive if you when the auction. Hope this helps!


  3. Great article! Im also curious, should we be hiring the attorney and title company before we bid to do the searches? hire both, hire one? Or is it ok to do this after we potentially win the bid? Say we win and the title does not come back clean (not sure what I even mean, there is hidden liens or maybe they dont even own the property?) at that point would we be able to get all the money back including earnest money?


  4. I am interested in an REO that will soon start online bidding in auction.com.  I don't mind hiring an attorney for title work and contract review and advice.  However what are the tips to get me an opportunity inside to make sure there are no structural issues, mold and termite at least? Thanks.  


    1. If you're just getting started it's best to get properties inspected prior to bidding since most do not offer an inspection contingency.

  5. I bid on a property a little less than a week ago.  I had watched it on Hubzu for 6 weeks with absolutely no activity.  The property in current condition is $115k, but that's assuming there are no hidden issues (gas and water cannot be turned on for inspection).

    Reserve was not met, bank countered.  Apparently, someone went higher than the bank counter and is under contract for $119k.  A fully renovated condo (new floors, new paint, new kitchen) with the identical floor plan just sold last week for $125. 

    How common is it for these deals to fall through on auction sites?  I'm a little heart broken over it all, but I'm also shocked that anyone would bid that much for this property...


    1. Hi Elizabeth, Most times banks do not offer an inspection contingency or financing contingency. If this is the case if a buyer chooses to walk, they will usually forfeit their deposit. Not to say it does not happen but I would keep an eye out for a bit just in case.

  6. Hi Lisa, 

    Thank you so much for the write up.

    I am in the process of purchasing my first property through auction.com. I have send in my deposit, signed contract, along with proof of fund. Yet, the contract agent never calls me back! Is this normal for everyone? My closing date is in 1 month, so I'm not in a rush. But the fact that the title company is not even aware that they are suppose to manage this property worries me. 

    If you can provide me some advice, I would really appreciate it.

    Thanks,

    Helen Z


    1. Hi Helen,

      My hope is that you were able to close on your transaction. The contract agent plays a very small role in the whole transaction as most of it is handled through the company hosting the auction. The company will usually assign a dedicated person to work the file. So long as the title company has the contract and numbers needed to put the paperwork together it usually comes together easily.


  7. Lisa

    Does it cost more to use an agent to help you on any of these sites?


    1. Hi Angela, 

      There isn't an extra fee to have an agent but the agent must register prior to the auction beginning if they expect to receive compensation. Also be sure to check to see how much compensation the bank is willing to offer since all properties vary.


  8. Greetings all,

    I used Auction.com to do my first deal December 2013. Honestly, I was scared. I didn't know how I was going to fund it. But, I did. I found a way. Since then, I've purchased various properties from Auction.com and Homesearch.com with good success. It has paid for some of my vacations and I've learned a lot. So, don't over analyze. Do your due diligence before auction start date and keep to your max. Ensure you complete a conservative evaluation and I'll say that again, stay to your max! I've won a property through Auction.com that was financeable for $63K. My research valued it at $95K and ended up finally closing on it for $50K. This one was an adventure but I ended up selling it for $95K like my research told me:) Anyway, enjoy yourself and take action...once you've completed your research of course...


  9. Lenders use these services to test the market.  We don't know what the reserve is and could be put at $1mm more than value to ensure the property doesn't sell ever, or at least not on the first run.  A lot of times they just want to get the property out there and get interest flowing.   Most commercial properties or notes never sell on certain sites or at least not the first run.  Your $2,500 or $5,000 deposit adds up.  Do the math, with thousands of properties across the country at any given time being run through an auction site, even if the deposit is only $1,000.00, sitting in an interest bearing account at only 5% return (and most likely exceeds 8%), the auction house is making a killing just on holding deposits.  Sales fees, in my opinion anyway, don't even come close to the return they get on just holding deposits which is why they don't mind marketing a property for a lender they know for a fact will never sell, because again, the sales fee isn't where the bulk of their money comes from.  


  10. Good article Lisa, thanks for writing it.  I learned some new information about online auctions. 

    Best regards,

    Nathan


    1. Happy you found it useful- thanks for reading!


  11. I bid on one of these home before and think i stepped out at around the $25k mark.  The highest bid was around $32k.  A couple of days later someone called me and said the seller did not accept the $32k high bid.  I think the agent told me the seller was looking for something like 40k and the other 2 bidders, higher than me, did not accept the 40.  So they had called me to see if I wanted back in.  The point is that, just because you don't win the auction, you may still have a change at the house when your phone rings.  BTW the house was easily worth $45k


  12. @Thang Cao- thanks for reading!


  13. Thank you for posting this article. This morning I rode my bike in the neighborhood and saw a Hubzu townhome for sale. I went back home called and got a realtor to show it to me. There is mold inside one bed room, a cracked brick wall leading up the outside of the fireplace, siding that needs to be replaced and lots of landscape drainage issues etc. I am new to investing and feel this might be over my head. They are asking $39k and it could bring $70k.


  14. Thanks for the write up... :)


  15. I've also seen instances in which ghost bidding occurs. In most situations try to avoid going past your set amount!!! I mean this.....dont be a victim of auction fever.  If someone bids higher then you, it may be because they have not factored in the same costs and variables that you have. Try to be conservative, there's less pain that way.

    It's better to loose a good deal then buy a lousy one

    Garrett


  16. @Jon Haft We tend to see the same thing often here too.


  17. We were involved with one on auction.com, and the price just kept going up.  There was apparently, no end to the reserve price. My hunch is that the bank set up a ridiculous high reserve and when the time end, they either tried to negotiate with the highest bidder, and when that failed put the house back on the website which they did, 3 times to be exact. 


  18. @JOHN DE SOUZA Thanks for reading!  I'm actually heading to Tamarack soon for some R & R. I love it up there! 


  19. Hi Lisa- great summary you created for BP!  Thanks for putting it in a nice organized way.

    Just last month we were in Idaho (Boise and Tamarac) for a family wedding.  Nice and easy lifestyle.  Take good care.

    John


  20. @Lisa Kohl - Thanks for this thought provoking article. It answered a few questions of my own. 

    Clearly, as shown in your step by step analysis, using auctions to add to a REI's portfolio is another way to amass low priced properties.


    1. Thanks for reading and glad you found it helpful.

  21. So if I am understading this correctly, the buyer should always do a title search prior to buying a property at auction? How much does a title search cost? If the property states its a REO, does that mean the property has a clean title? @Lisa Kohl

  22. So if I am understading this correctly, the buyer should always do a title search prior to buying a property at auction? How much does a title search cost? If the property states its a REO, does that mean the property has a clean title? @Lisa Kohl

    1. @Christian Bors some suggest performing a separate title search. In my state you usually receive a special warranty deed and I've fortunate to not have any troubles. I would do some research to see what is typically offered in your state and consult with a title person to see what your potential risks would be.


  23. @Lisa Kohl

    Great article and thanks for all the helpful info!


  24. @Kyle Mack I've contacted these companies in the past in regards to cash only purchases to clarify since most in my area are cash only. What I was told was that you will need to provide proof of funds in your name or bidders name to suffice. 

    If a property isn't marked as cash only- they do give an option for hard money as type of financing.


  25. @Lisa Kohl

     You say that you need to have the cash in the bank (no financing), but do would hard money still work? since hard money lenders typically can make the money look like cash vs financing.


    1. @Kyle Mack

      In the process of buying my first auction.com property and they specifically listed a hard money loan as one of the allowed forms of "proof of funds".  I used some stocks as POF but am actually getting a loan, just can't do an appraisal so can't truly be a mortgage.


  26. This is a good article! I'm glad I found it!


  27. @Jean E.- thanks for reading!


  28. @Michelle Joiner I'm glad you found the post helpful. Thank you for reading!


  29. @Danny N. Some people mistake these auctions for actual foreclosure auctions, before the bank actually takes the house back. These homes have typically already been repossessed by the bank.

    The status of title will depend on what lender owns the property- In my area when you purchase a property through these sites they will usually provide you with a special warranty deed. However, it's important to note that others have had issues with clouds on title like hoa liens etc. It's been suggested that a buyer potentially do a separate title search prior to bidding however I have never run into issues since the bank usually provides standard title coverage. Hope this helps and thanks for reading!


  30. Hi Lisa,

    Many thanks for the article.

    Jean


  31. I appreciate receiving such valuable information.  


  32. Lisa,

    Thanks for writing this article, I read it just in time before bidding and true, the opening bid amounts are very tempting but with all these other factors, it is pretty much "buyer be ware".  

    I'm a little confused when you say these are not foreclosure auctions but are REO? what is the difference? Also, if they are REO doesn't that guarantee clear / clean title ?

    I would like to hear your feedback,

    thx


  33. Thank you all for the feedback and adding your own experiences too! 


  34. I would add to do your own title search before bidding. I don't know about the other sites but auction. com can give you a title that's not clean. So, it is possible to inherit all the liens and other issues with the title. It's specified in the contract they send you when you win. Waiting until after you win could be problematic due to the $2,500 deposit you put down to even bid (it gets released after the auction but I suspect if you win and then try to pull out if you find out the title is not clean, that deposit may be forfeited). 


  35. This is a really great overview Lisa. 

    One more tip: I found out at my last closing is that I was responsible for some of the occupant's past due bills (It was in the homesearch occupied property addendum which contradicted and apparently superseded the purchase agreement).

    Does anyone know of any other auction sites besides these three?


  36. Great information, several properties I am interested in are being auctioned and the starting bid is not what I consider reasonable for these properties.   I didn't really know what to expect and this gave me some insight.  Thank you. 


  37. thank you.  Interesting read.  I purchased a hubzu property for 14 k less than my original offer. I was highest bidder many times and everyweek they lowered the reserve. I lost the week before to another bidder so the next week I accepted the negotiated price.  


  38. Thanks for reading! I'm glad you found it helpful.


  39. Thank you. This is very useful information!


  40. Difficulties in acquiring information in  a timely manner is the new norm.  It is very difficult to move the process along when you can't communicate with the sellers.  It takes an extended period of time to bring any transaction to a conclusion.  If you use your own title company they encounter the same experience in obtaining cooperation from the owners agents.