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General Contractor · Warrenton, Virginia


As a newbie I came in strong on the Flip idea... But most people here seem to push rentals as a way to really make a sustaining income.

With some of the deals out there I can see coming into a transaction and being immediately in the Black on a rental! Which is very exciting and opens new horizons to my investment strategy... Granted rental in my mind = stress to get people to sign the rental agreements.

... Which leads to Section 8 housing. Guaranteed income and guaranteed renters... The bad of course is that you are dealing with low low income tenants and neighborhoods which can be risky.

Is there any books or web info related to Section 8 that is of value? Pros / Cons of such properties?

Thanks!


· Ft. Worth, Texas


I'd buy the Section 8 Bible. (Amazon has it or section8bible.com to buy direct.)

It's a very poorly written, self-published book, but it does contain lots of good info. If you go into section 8 it'll definitely pay for itself.

Also, spend some time reading MikeOH's blog for lots and lots of good insight. (I am hoping to make him my Jedi Master; I'm right where you are right now.)


General Contractor · Warrenton, Virginia


Thanks for the info!

I will definitely buy the book... Seems like a lot of RE books are poor in writing style, but as long as the info is there I do not care :)

A lot of people have reported positive feedback on MikeOH's book as well... So I will probably buy it as well.

In my mind the books are excellent reference material as well, so they pay for themselves again and again.

... Plus books are cheap compared to a lot of these seminars and clinics... Which all seem to get mixed reviews from the people who are into RE. My guess is that the seminars are for newbies to milk some $ out of them.

Thanks!



I bought the Mike OH book - funny my wife thought it was ridiculous due to it's title " One Minute to Rental Proeprty Riches" but really he was making fun, with that title, of all the gurus who make their systems seem like a get rich quick miracle course. The book lays out the basics, alot of which I already knew, but it was motivating and informative to see it laid out as a system to go by. Good property management really depends on setting parameters and policies and sticking with them. Also, Mike does not sugar coat the issues, so he is more believable and inspiring.

If you chose five books to pay a few hundred dollars on, his should be (and was - well, OK I spent more than that for all the books I have) one of them.


Real Estate Investor


hal roark has a section 8 course i've heard good things about.
also mr landlord has alot of good resources for those looking to go into the rental market.

i'd guess, it all comes down to your objectives. do you want chunks of cash? or do you want steady cash flow?


Residential Real Estate Agent · Los Angeles, California


Typically in California Section 8 is not the best way to go unless you know exactly what you are doing. But you can go to the HUD website and guide your way through their programs and they will tell you what you need to know.

www.hud.gov


Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


Section 8 is a good way to go but you still must screen your potential tenants very carefully and also look into the HUD particulars for each specific area you intend on investing. Some areas are good for section 8, and others are not. Do your homework!

Small_barnardenterprisesWill Barnard, Barnard Enterprises, Inc.
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Real Estate Investor · Middletown, New Jersey


I just bought the Section 8 Bible by MikeOH and it was definitely worth it. The info on what to eliminate from the rental prior to inspection saved me far more than the cost of the book.


T A

· Alabama


If you're interested, I'm about to list Hal Roark's section 8 course on ebay for sale in a day. I've never used it because I've been too busy. I bought it from an ebayer and it hasn't been put to use over here at all. Let me know by emailing me or something.


Real Estate Investor · Glendale, Arizona


If you are in an area where you can get buyers, then flipping is the way to go as it is in and out. As for buy and hold, get an area that will appreciate fastest in this market...You can retire early :D


· OR


Section 8 is a hard way to make your money, and it would be really rough going into it with no landlord experience.

The housing authority is NOT on the landlord's side, and they have a lot of resources.

Each housing authority is different and some are easier to work with than others. You might want to talk to local landlord's and see what their experience has been with the local housing authority.


Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


Originally posted by "azmania"
If you are in an area where you can get buyers, then flipping is the way to go as it is in and out. As for buy and hold, get an area that will appreciate fastest in this market...You can retire early :D

With the lending market continuing to tighten, the increased housing inventory, and the recession, it is much more difficult and " risky" (very loose term) to flip in these market conditions. Of course there is always the exceptions and if you have the ability to buy correctly to avoid/minimize the risk. The other negative item to flipping is the larger tax implications, unless you utilize a 1031 exchange each time. Flipping and wholsaleing is taxed at much higher rates than a buy and hold strategy as the cash flow is taxed at passive income ratios and the gain from the sell (after 365 days) is taxed at long term cap gains rates, currently at 15%.
Jsut food for thought.

Small_barnardenterprisesWill Barnard, Barnard Enterprises, Inc.
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Real Estate Agent · Milwaukee, Wisconsin


Originally posted by Matthew Mucker

Also, spend some time reading MikeOH's blog for lots and lots of good insight. (I am hoping to make him my Jedi Master; I'm right where you are right now.)


I'm kinda new to BIGGERPOCKETS... how do I find the blog?

Real Estate Investor · Lubbock, Texas


First good luck on building your business and congrats for getting out there buying low which ever route you take. We are currently doing both renatls and flips. One of the best rental lessons I have learned is don't fear students. We are in a college community and although maint. is higher due to their lack of home ownership experience, students tend to be well funded (parents). In our area of Texas, college students pay higher rents, and as long as you time your leases to coincide with the academic calendar, we never have issues staying rented. It also helps to have a gimic, and advertise such in the college paper. We provide a 50"plasma in every unit. That line item alone is like a neon sign in the college want ads. There is nothing a college kid will tke care of better there than TV, and it's been the best $1k we have spent in pre-lease improvements.

Josh


Real Estate Investor · Detroit, Michigan


I'm kinda new to BIGGERPOCKETS... how do I find the blog?

You can go to the blog section on BiggerPockets and find it there, or you can read it from his site here:

http://www.1minutetorentalpropertyriches.com/id53.html



Originally posted by Calixto Urdiales
Typically in California Section 8 is not the best way to go unless you know exactly what you are doing. But you can go to the HUD website and guide your way through their programs and they will tell you what you need to know.

www.hud.gov

I know hand holding can be a drag, but can you expound more on this?

I saw where Will also stated about "looking into HUD particulars for each specific area".

What are the implications or mistakes that would be made?




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