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Real Estate Investor · San Jose, California


Hi guys, I read reports on real estate investing and there is something I do not understand. Please enlighten me. I saw something inside the report like CAP RATE 15.2% ....

What is

- The meaning of CAP RATE in layman's term?
- How do I calculate CAP RATE?

Thanks :D


Real Estate Investor · Hoboken, New Jersey


CAP RATE means Capitalization Rate, it is a term that is generally used for commercial properties.

At its most simplest form the Cap Rate is

Revenue/purchase price

For more detailed information:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cap_rate


BiggerPockets Founder · Denver, Colorado


This article on our blog should help you out:

Determining the Value of an Apartment Building Investment Using Cap Rates

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Wholesaler · Maryland


Originally posted by "XM911E3"
Hi guys, I read reports on real estate investing and there is something I do not understand. Please enlighten me. I saw something inside the report like CAP RATE 15.2% ....

What is

- The meaning of CAP RATE in layman's term?
- How do I calculate CAP RATE?

Thanks :D

Cap Rate, Short for capitalization rate, is the rate of return you would get for an income producing property if you paid all cash.

It is calculated by dividing the price of the property by the Net Opperating income, (rents-expenses). Do not include interest or principal payments in the expenses, This is figured separately.

Your actual return on the property is generally higher because of the effect of financing. You need to figure your actual return separately.

So why do they figure " Cap Rate" without financing? It is an esay way to compare properties. Since everyone would get different financing brokers can't adverties a specific return on investment but they can advertise Cap rate so buyers can compare properties.

By the way 15% would be an outstanding Cap Rate for a commercial property - IF it is calculated correctly.

My partners and I am actively lookng for commercial properties . Teh returns can be phenominal for the right property.


Real Estate Investor · San Jose, California


Hi guys, thanks for the input. I am wondering there are so many tools like 'CAP RATE', 'R.O.I', 'CASH ON CASH'....Which one should we use it to determine the best investment????

Example 1: CAP RATE

Cost: $44,000
Cashflow: $3,500 per year

Annual Cashflow/Cost = CAP RATE

3,500/44,000 x 100% = 7.95%

Example 2: R.O.I

Cost: $44,000
Downpayment: $4,400
Cashflow: $3,500 per year

Annual Cashflow/Downpayment = R.O.I

3,500/4,400 x 100% = 79.5%


Real Estate Investor · Wheat Ridge, Colorado


I'm not sure what you mean by " cash flow" in your examples, so lets back up.

Gross scheduled rent = total rent that you would get if the property was rented for the entire year at the full expected value.
Vacancy = rent you don't get, either because its vacant (actual vacancy) or you've given a discount (e.g., first month free, economic vacancy.)
Expenses = All costs related to running the property. Insurance, taxes, utilities, maintenance, HOA, legal fees, eviction costs, tenant damage repairs, make ready, etc., etc., etc.
NOI = net operating income = Gross scheduled rent - vacancy - expenses.
Cap rate = NOI (for a year) / Purchase price
Debt service = mortgage payments. May be interest only or amortized.
Cash flow = NOI - debt service
Taxable income = NOI - depreciation - Interest payments

The measure that affects you on a daily basis is cash flow. Tax, which is calculated on the taxable income (which can be negative due to the depreciation) may be a factor, too.

ROI is interesting, but if you invest $10 and earn $10 you have 100% ROI, but still only $10 in your pocket.

Cap rate is generally used for commercial properties, not single family properties.

Don't forget closing costs. Real estate is one of the worst investments in terms of the transaction costs. Neglecting them will significantly affect you results.

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Real Estate Investor · San Jose, California


Hi Wheatie, thanks for the clear explaination. Wow looks I there are alot of things I do not know and need to learn :shock:


Real Estate Investor · Wheat Ridge, Colorado


There's a book titled " What every real estate investor needs to know about cash flow" . I really recommend getting a copy. Not exactly something you read from cover to cover, though I would actually recommend trying to do that. It covers these formulas and many others.

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Real Estate Investor · San Jose, California


I see. Will hit the bookstores when I wake up later in the morning. By the way, this is the book right?

http://www.realdata.com/gallinelli.shtml


Real Estate Investor · Wheat Ridge, Colorado


Yes it is. Frank posts here once in a while.

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Real Estate Investor · San Jose, California


Ok Wheatie, thanks for all the info. :D


Real Estate Investor · Bozeman, MT


Another great book that will help in this area is Steve Berges' The Complete to Real Estate Finance for Investment Properties. He explains the various terms, ratios, and calculations very well.


Real Estate Investor · Ohio


xm,

Unless you are planning to buy large commercial properties, I would forget cap rate and all the other mumbo-jumbo. It is totally irrelevant for SFHs and small commercial properties. Most small investors don't understand cap rate and how it works in the real world, as evidenced by the two incorrect answers you got before Wheatie chimed in.

More importantly, cap rate is all just a big joke because accurate NOI's don't exist for most SFHs and small commercial buildings. So basing the purchase price or market value of a property on a formula that utilizes inaccurate NOIs is extremely foolish. Garbage in - garbage out!

This topic has been covered in great detail in the past on this forum. I would strongly suggest doing a search on Cap Rate and reading the threads.

Good Luck,

Mike


Wholesaler · Maryland


Originally posted by "MikeOH"
Most small investors don't understand cap rate and how it works in the real world, as evidenced by the two incorrect answers you got before Wheatie chimed in.

Mike

Who or what are you referring to? I didn't see any incorrect answers. I did see some abbreviated answers, including mine, that perhaps didn't clarify things or define things well enough. Cap Rate, it's purpose, and how it is used is very difficult concept to get across, especially in a short forum post.

Unless you are planning to buy large commercial properties, I would forget cap rate and all the other mumbo-jumbo. It is totally irrelevant for SFHs and small commercial properties.

I agree, cap rate itself doesn't have much value for SFHs. However I believe understanding the numbers, knowing how to use an APOD, and knowing the numbers needed to calculate it are important for any income producing property. Cap rate is only one part of cash flow analysis that you should be doing on any income property.


Real Estate Investor · Ohio


It is calculated by dividing the price of the property by the Net Opperating income

Wrong. Cap rate = NOI divided by purchase price.

Revenue/purchase price

Wrong. Cap rate = NOI divided by purchase price.

Mike


Real Estate Investor · CO


The entire purpose of cap rate, as far as I'm concerned, is to allow you to compare one income producing property with another when screening deals.

With that said, I've got to agree with Mike here: for small properties, cap rate is useless.

I'm going to go one further and say that for large properties, it's useless too.

Why?

Because brokers and sellers LIE all the damn time. Cap rate is worthless as a screening tool because you can't trust a cap rate until you verify it with at least some pre-offer due diligence, like a couple of years of monthly P&Ls. And of course, by that time, you are able to understand the expenses to some degree and calculate some much more useful ratios, you know, like Cash-On-Cash return, DSCR, etc.


Wholesaler · Maryland


Originally posted by "MikeOH"
It is calculated by dividing the price of the property by the Net Opperating income

Wrong. Cap rate = NOI divided by purchase price.

Revenue/purchase price

Wrong. Cap rate = NOI divided by purchase price.

Mike

Ooops, Your absolutely right I got the calculation backwards. :oops: Shame on me, I know better! Thanks for pointing it out.

Although it is a matter of semantics, I wouldn't say Ashamann's answer was wrong. NOI is a form of revenue. He did say in it's simplest form and gave a more detailed link.


Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


I'm going to go one further and say that for large properties, it's useless too.

Why?

Because brokers and sellers LIE all the damn time. Cap rate is worthless as a screening tool because you can't trust a cap rate until you verify it with at least some pre-offer due diligence, like a couple of years of monthly P&Ls.

I think the point here has been missed. Cap rate is ONE great screening tool. It is the proper calculation of the expenses to arrive at a true NOI that is often done incorrectly. Just because a seller or seller's agent lists a property's cap rate under false pretense does not make evaluating cap rates worthless, it means that we as investors MUST evaluate the P&L (as you stated) properly to arrive at the real NOI and not the stated one.

As far as cap rates for SFR and up to 4 unit multifamily, Mike was exactly correct. These types of properties rarely have sufficient and accurate P&L's to arrive at a true cap rate, plus, residential properties values are based on comps, in comparison to commercial properties which values are based on the income they produce. This does not mean that you should not use an income approach as an investor on res. properties, just pointing out how RE is valued in each class.

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XM, if you are going to use Cap Rates, you need to figure out what they are by yourself, using your own figures that you obtained independently from the listing agents.

What listing agents have a tendency to do is to forget to include all sorts of expenses when they figure the cap rate, and that gives them a more attractive looking number.

I don't know. Maybe a cap rate would help you if you are trying to decide which one to buy: an injection molding company in China, or an apartment block in the Baltics, of a sprocket dealership in Texas. Properties that could be hard to compare.

In real estate, there are other things to consider besides the price and expenses. What is the neighbirhood doing? How much deferred maintenance is there? How many inheritied tenants will you have to get rid of?

Perhaps the cap rate could be useful as you try to get the price down when you are buying?

This is my formula for buying real estate: First, do I actiually want the property? Does it meet my criteria for a good purchase? What is it's potential for the future?

Then I add up all the expenses and subtract from all the income and if there is enough left over to make me happy, it's a good purchase.

It's really not all that complicated to figure out whether real estate is a good purchase or not.


Real Estate Investor · Wheat Ridge, Colorado


Revenue/purchase price

Wrong. Cap rate = NOI divided by purchase price.

Although it is a matter of semantics, I wouldn't say Ashamann's answer was wrong. NOI is a form of revenue. He did say in it's simplest form and gave a more detailed link.

I have to take a bit of exception to that. Its not a matter of semantics. " Revenue" and " NOI" need to be precisely defined terms for any of the math to make sense. NOI is precisely defined, as is purchase price. So saying " cap rate = NOI / Purchase price" has an exact meaning. The term " revenue" is rarely used for REI. In business accounting, it means the money coming in the door, though the more precise " gross revenue" would be a better term. After subtracting off COGS (cost of goods sold, i.e, what you paid for the stuff you sold), you get " gross profit" . Subtract off SG&A expenses (selling, general, and administrative), you get " net profit" . " Net profit" is equivalent to what we call " NOI" . So, I think its incorrect, and not just semantics, to say " cap rate = revenue / purchase price."

If you equate revenue to the gross scheduled rent, then revenue (monthly) / purchase price is the " 1%" or " 2%" rent factor. Or, its the inverse of the Gross Rent Multiplier GRM = purchase price / annual gross scheduled rent.

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