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Hey everyone,
I'm sure this topic has been on here before, but I just started this account and decided to post a question before it all begins.

Well I'm currently living at home with my parents and am dying to start investing in real estate. Unfortunately, I am only 16 years old.

We are definitely your definition of poor-middle class, and I have been very interested with Real Estate and have read tons, from Dolf de Roos - Robert Kiyosaki, and have attended a day event by Darren Weeks, who is the Canadian representative of Rich Dad. I'm writing this as my access to a good credit line or parents who can invest is nonexistant.

Anyways, would anyone know where a good place would be to go, or better yet, a group of people who would actually consider helping such a person start a young age?

Passive cashflow is the way I want to go, and would like to start as soon as possible, with the smartest people available!

If anyone has advice or comments, thank you very much



If your parents can't help you, then it may be a struggle at your age.

In the UK we have the Princes Trust that helps young business people, but that's normally people with ideas / products to sell, not so much investing in real estate.

I'd look for networking events - not just REI, but general business too, and go out there and get yourself known to local people in the industry. That would probably be your best bet for finding a mentor.


Real Estate Investor · Katy, Texas


Start working as hard as you can. SAVE SAVE SAVE.

By the time you are 18 look for a VERY cheap house you can buy with your cash. Cash flow from it.

Until then make sure you build and keep your credit super clean. Get a steady job when you are out of highschool. Try to open credit lines but dont accumulate debt.

Possibly by the time you are 19, with a steady job, credit lines, hopefully a good credit score you may be able to finance your next deal.

Keep repeating. You will be WAY ahead of the curve.

Keep on the straight and narrow my freind, I wish I had your drive at age 16



Joe, I applaud you for getting involved in this industry at your age. Most guys do not have near thart much foresight to see what a great opportunity it is. I think if I were you (and i do wish I was 16 again in some ways - if I could take my current brain back with me) I would check with your state laws to find out what the minimum ages are for various things, like real estate ownership, leasehold ownership, etc. It may be that you can control a property through a lease purchase unless one has to be 18 to enter into a lease. At your age you should be able to get insurance and have a bank account. You probably can get your driver's license if you don't already have it.

Then you could join a REI club and ask around for anyone that would work with you if you were to find good deals through marketing and bush-beating. You might be able to work hard and get bird dog and wholesale fees. Save your money and build your credit for a few years, and then at 18 you are on your own, with no barriers. Keep us informed with your progress! Good luck, Mike



Thanks guys, the words of motivation are outstanding! Great tips too.

Luckily, though my town of 700 has very few business', my dad happens to own one, to which I have been working for. That is during the summer. During the school year, I work part time at a cafe'.

Here's my future (and very realistic) financial plan, and please keep in mind I start in the summer of 09 as a school trip will wipe me clean of cash before then. No need to worry though, as I have many years before grad. Here it is:

Summer 09 - $4000
Fall-Summer 09-10 - $2000
Summer 10 - $4000
Fall-Summer 10-11 - $2000
Summer - Winter 11 - $5000

As I know things come up that do suck up money, luckily, however, I will have a good fallback as every summer I get a full time summer job. By year '11 I am graduated, and will work full time - winter, and then I will embark on my own journey, with a stable amount of money to my name.


Real Estate Investor · Virginia Beach, Virginia


I congratulate you for wanting to start so young.I'm curious, are you planning on going to college? that expense alone will likely make it difficult to save and invest in property at a young age.

Even though it may be difficult it can be done. Have you considered bird dogging? You will gain a ton of knowledge and also a little cash to fund your deals.


Real Estate Coach · Oakton, Virginia


Joe,

Starting networking at your local real estate investor meetings. I would find an older, edxperienced investor who will take you under your wing.......in fact call my office and I will give you a bunch of stuff to get started...just tell whoever you talk to that you are the 16 year old investor who Jason said to call.


Real Estate Investor · Memphis, Tennessee


Joe,

Here is what I recommend to do.

1) Establish credit history. To do this, get 4 credit cards, (American Express, MasterCard, Visa, and Discover only since they can be used to buy real estate if needed, stay away from Chase, HSBC, and store brand cards) with a limit of $500 on each. I would then go out and spend $100 dollars on each of them (buy some real estate books). Once you get your statement, freeze those cards in a block of ice so you will not use it. Pay off that purchase slowly so that you can start to building credit history.

With the credit crunch, if you can't get an unsecured card, then get a secured card (where you deposit the amount of the credit line with the credit card company) and then call in 6 months asking for the line to be switched to unsecured.

2) Grow your credit line.
Every 6 months, call the credit company and ask them to double the line of credit. If the customer service rep will not do it, ask for a supervisor and ask them (supervisors have more authority).

If you do that 6 times, your line of credit should be around $32K for each card or $128K collectively.

3) Keep working and saving cash, cash is king in the business and you will need it to get started.

4) Get a mentor (who can show you the business). Offer to work for free if it helps you get the experience.

5) Sometime in 2011 when your ready to make your first purchase, create a second checking account with your bank. Ask for one of those balance transfers checks where they are offering 0% interest for 6 to 12 months from your card companies. You want the balance transfer to be where you can cash the check at your bank so that you have cash to buy your first property. Then get it refinanced ASAP and pay off the cards.

The reason for the second account, is that when go to refinance, the mortgage company will want two months of bank statements. If they see a huge increase and then a large decrease, a red flag will be made. Thus, when you apply for your refi, use your original checking account to show your assets with. Beside, mortgage companies love seeing a checking account that has been growing.

By doing this, you are using other peoples money to buy with (which is what Kiyosaki says to do), you protect your cash for future use and you will be off to a great start.

6) Your first house, keep it small (-20 to +10 of the average price of the homes in the area). This is the range that most good renters can afford to rent with.

7) Use a management company to located, place, and collect rents with.

8) You want at a minimum, $200 cash flow per front door. When factoring in cash flow, take your rent, subtract the mortgage (principal and interest), taxes, insurance, and management company expenses).

9) Continue to read and talking to other investors.



Originally posted by Jason Hanson
Joe,

Starting networking at your local real estate investor meetings. I would find an older, edxperienced investor who will take you under your wing.......in fact call my office and I will give you a bunch of stuff to get started...just tell whoever you talk to that you are the 16 year old investor who Jason said to call.


Jason, I attempted to call your office several times only to have the operator tell me that where I was calling to was unavailable from where I am located.


Originally posted by Dave W
I congratulate you for wanting to start so young.I'm curious, are you planning on going to college? that expense alone will likely make it difficult to save and invest in property at a young age.

Even though it may be difficult it can be done. Have you considered bird dogging? You will gain a ton of knowledge and also a little cash to fund your deals.


Am not sure what bird dogging is, and nope, I am not planning on going to university. My sister is but i stressed the importance of financing with investing, and she is now looking for people in her area to invest with!

· Cincinnati, OH


Alex,

Could you explain Step 5 in greater detail? I am having trouble following the method.

Also, you say a MasterCard can be used to buy real estate- are you saying make monthly payments and pay the outrageous interest fee? And would a CC be used for a downpayment or purchase of an entire property?


Real Estate Investor · North Carolina


Hey Joe - you just got yourself one helluva great free education from these posts.

Only thing to add is to invest some money in a lot of great books.

Good luck!


Real Estate Investor · Memphis, Tennessee


Casey,

About the credit cards. First, I do not condone buying a property with a credit card for permanent financing. What I am suggesting, is to use the "interest free" cash balance transfer to buy the property since he will have no real credit history to make his first purchase and then to refinance the property with cash out with a traditional mortgage. Think about it this way, if I was a loan officer (which I am not) and an 18 year old, with no education other than a high school degree, no real experience, and with a job in the mid $20's, comes in asking for a loan for $100,000 to buy a rental home, would I loan him the money with a good rate? I might do if he came with 20% down which would suck up all his cash and put him in jeopardy of being cash poor.

Does this answer your question or concern?


· Cincinnati, OH


Alex,

I understand the underwriting issue when someone is young- so are you suggesting using the credit card for the down payment then going to a lending institution to refinance the entire property, including the down payment?

Just curious since I am young as well and want to learn tips regarding the various methods of financing property. I am getting ready to graduate college and have no job but do have a credit card from a few years ago that I built credit with ( and has a decent limit) that I could possibly put to use. Feel free to answer through PM so the thread stays on topic- I like to ask alot of questions.


Real Estate Investor · Anchorage, Alaska


Originally posted by Alex Aronson
Joe,

Here is what I recommend to do.

1) Establish credit history. To do this, get 4 credit cards, (American Express, MasterCard, Visa, and Discover


He is 16 he can't establish credit or get a credit card because he can't legally enter into a contract.

Real Estate Investor · Memphis, Tennessee


Gary,

The young man can get a parent to cosign for the card. I would think his parents would be willing to do that especially if he were to put cash up front for a secure credit card to establish history.

Cassey,

I think your still on topic.
There are several ways to finance a property.
1) Traditonal mortage where you apply at a bank.
2) Seller Financing where the seller becomes the bank. Seller do not always require a down payment, often do not report your note to the credit agencies, and can work with you if your late with out dinging your credit. Sellers also gain the benefit from what I understand of lower taxes since they are not getting a lump sum payment.
3) Short term seller financing where the seller becomes the bank on a limited basis until you get pernament financing. It is easier to refinance a note with a bank than it is to get original financing. seller financing is a great way to get a property with little to no money out of pocket.
4) Hard Money Lender. Hard money is expensive, but the key is to not look at the cost, but to [/u]look at return on investment[u]. If you are having financing issues, and you have a great deal, work the numbers with hard money cost to see if the deal works. If it does, make sure you have an exit strategy for the loan (refinance, quick cash sell) and do the deal.

I would also seek out a mentor while your in college to help you get your mind set.

Hope this helps.


Real Estate Investor · Anchorage, Alaska


Originally posted by Alex Aronson
Gary,

The young man can get a parent to cosign for the card. I would think his parents would be willing to do that especially if he were to put cash up front for a secure credit card to establish history.

I was going to answer but, not worth it.

Joe, send me a PM I will put you in touch with someone who can help you.

Real Estate Investor · Memphis, Tennessee


Joe,

Here a few links of various companies that offer credit to people who are at least 16.

http://www.elancard.com/cgi_w/cfm/ElanCard/PersonalCards/YoungAdultVisaClassic.cfm
http://www.integrabank.com/creditcards/visa_young_adult.html
https://www.alaskausa.org/service/help/4u/youngadult.asp?t=v
http://www.centurybank.com/creditcards/youngadultvisacard.html

The key words I used were "Young Adult Credit"

Just be sure to read the card agreement, ask questions if you are not clear on something, and to not abuse the credit.

I would also recommend reading about credit at bankrate.com and fairissac.com Fair Issac created the FICO score and they are in the process of revamping the scoring with something they are calling Fair Issac 08.

Good Luck


Real Estate Investor · marathon, Ohio


I can not believe what I am reading.

Encouraging a minor to get credit cards?

Encouraging a minor to have his parents to co-sign?

I wonder how any of you would feel when some strangers tell YOUR child on how/what/when to do things?


Real Estate Investor · Memphis, Tennessee


Jeff,

Joe asked how he can get started. One part of my recommendation is that he establish a credit history early, since under current credit scoring guidelines, length of credit, from what I understand accounts for 15% of score. Not to mention, if he uses it correctly, he has a backup reserve to draw upon.

Most investors, unless their parents were investors, start investing when they are in the 30th's or later. Given that most people get their first credit at 18 while in college in the form of student loans or a credit card, by the time they are 30, they have 12 years of credit history to draw upon to help them get a loan.

Joe is asking how he can get stated at 18. If he does all his due diligence, reads, gets summer work working for an investor, realtor, or someone in the industry, and goes to get his first loan, what do you think is going to happen to him?

If there are any mortgage brokers out their following this thread, please speak up and say what you think you could do for Joe? To make the question fair, lets give an example. Joe will be 18 with no credit history. He finds a home worth $100,000 after repairs for a $50,000 price requiring $10,000 to rehab. Joe plans to pay out of his saved up funds up to 3% to10% down, and 10,000 to fix the home (assuming only cosmetic work, paint, carpet, fixtures, landscape) regardless if he provides the labor. Therefore Joe has approximately $2,000 to $5,500 to pay closing cost, mortgage payments during rehab, insurance, appraisal, home inspection, and any overruns the rehab might have.

He might qualify for an FHA loan under those conditions? I don't know.

Joe, who appears to be a bright young man is looking for advise as to what he can do now so that he can be ready to invest when he is 18.


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