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I'm just a little disappointed this morning because I found out another of my low 50% rule offers was rejected. This is my 6th rejection in the last 3 weeks. I was hoping that this one would get accepted because I really liked the location. I am beginning to get frustrated. I guess if it was easy everyone would be doing it.

The houses that I have looked at that I feel I could get in at the 50% rule are either rougher neighborhoods or in terrible condition (yet rented).

Do you guys think I should go to a boot camp seminar or something asap?!?


BiggerPockets Founder · Denver, Colorado


I think you're in the boot camp/seminar already. Stick around . . . ask questions, and you'll get there!

BTW - Don't be discouraged. Keep making offers! You're already ahead of the tens of thousands of "investors" who spent thousands on decent to bad education and never get that far.

Keep your head up!

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· Indianapolis, Indiana


I agree with Josh, no bootcamp is needed. You are getting the best hands on experience possible right now being in the trenches.

My advice is to keep those offers flying, and the folks here at BP will be here for advice when you need it.

Do not let your emotions get the best of you. Frustration is part of this game, and you must work hard to keep your head on straight in order to minimize mistakes.

There are many investors who submit 30+ offers before they find what they want. It just takes time my friend......

Good Luck!


Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


Agree with advice from Josh and Harrison.
RE investing is an emotional rollercoaster. I have said this many times because it is true. Determination and persistance will get you a deal.

Bootcamp for $3k, try doing what you are doing and add $3k to your offers, that will get better results.

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SFR Investor · Scottsdale, Arizona


Kirk, I make so many offers it gets to be tedious sometimes...................

but all I need is that 1 to make money....

if your making cash offers................try to make offers to people where they will give up the deed to their property and you promise to make the mortgage payment.

Trust me, not that easy but I don't give up

I can't wait until you re-post saying someone accepted your offer.......can you imagine the excitement your going to experience.

in the words of Joe Dirt, "Keep on keepin on"


Real Estate Investor · Ohio


Kirk,

Keep working at it. You'll get a great deal if you are patient and persistent. It also helps if you find DESPERATE sellers as opposed to making a bunch of low-ball offers on deals that are priced closer to retail. The key is to meet a LOT of people and let them all know that you are buying property.

Good Luck,

Mike


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Thanks for all of the words of encouragement and advice guys.



Yes, I agree - it's a total #s game. You're doing the right things. The more offers you make, the better chances you have of getting one accepted. Also, it helps to go back and re-submit on the old offers you made. Most times, it's the ones that have been sitting on the market for awhile (especially if they're vacant) that are the winners. Hope that helps!


Real Estate Broker · Southington, Connecticut


Sounds like you're shopping on the mls. In that case be prepared to write many many offers. To up your acceptances try finding the owners before they find an agent.


Rehabber · Chandler, Arizona


If you are using the MLS, concentrate on properties that have been sitting on the MLS for a long time. In my area thats 180 days, but may be different in your area. I've submitted about 20 offers in the last week and only one took. But that is all it takes.

Also, you shouldn't think of this as easy. Think of it as simple. You submit offers, negotiate, buy, and sell. If done right, you make money.

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· Indianapolis, Indiana


I really love these positive threads! :D

Keep us updated on your progress Kirk!



Man Kirk!!! I am with you. I have been on here, submitting offers for about 3 months. I think I have submitted over 20 offers, about 80% of the asking price, but have not got any deals. I too have been discouraged, I had 3 deals that feel throught. I changed 2 realtors, finally i got a offer accepted but its a short sale, so I still have to wait. Im still looking, but decided to get my own license since I cant rely on any realtor to actualy do their job. Anyways, buest of luck... I hope to post my success on here soon also.


Real Estate Investor · Redding, California


Hi Kirk,

Just wanted to let you know that you are not alone. I run by the 65% rule (minus repairs) and have only gotten one deal out of 50 offers. It's true that you have to find the very motivated sellers to make these types of deals. My problem is that I am having trouble finding these types of sellers. All the calls and emails I get are those who are looking to get out of their current house to buy a bigger one, or bought/re-fied at the peak that they can't possible go any lower.

All we can do right now is keep going, put those offers out there, and hopefully finally get those deals.

On another note, I am finding that a lot of sellers looking at foreclosure are being advised by their lawers and tax advisors that foreclosure is the only and best route to go; that they should not even bother with a short sale.

Best of luck to you, Kirk and keep us posted.


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Update:

Latest bump in the road is I had a verbal agreement after several rounds of negotiation go by the wayside when out of the blue "other offers were coming in." Now they want me to renegotiate "highest and best."

Yeah my best is the middle one and its also the highest.

I suppose I shouldn't get angry because emotion will only impede my ability to make sound business decisions. However, it is a time consuming process to find a 50% deal and I thought I had reached my goal.



Wholesaler · Amarillo, Texas


I probably average 30 to 40 offers to semi-qualified sellers to get one of them to sell to me. The only difference between you and me is that I make that many offers in a week.

My advice . . . make more offers. Not 5 more, not 20 more, not even 50 more. Make 100 offers to semi-qualified sellers over the next month and I'll bet you will have a handful of deals to work on.


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Ryan,

Thanks for your reply. I am just concerned about your approach because I think I would exhaust the supply of "For Sale" 1-4 unit investment properties in my target areas in 2 weeks.

Also, I am new, and less confident in my decision/offer making ability. Therefore, I feel strongly that I should proceed with more caution until I gain confidence and experience.

But I will tkae your advice and start throwing more offers out there at a faster pace.


Real Estate Investor


I am a new real estate investor, and I realize that nothing worth having is easy, including the attainment of knowledge and learning from our experience, but successful individuals never give up! Instead they find creative solutions to solve traditional and historical problems. Being a firm believer of taking my own advice, I have decided to get a "Stated Income" loan to finance my investment properties. Can anyone recommend a financial institution in California (Bay Area) to assist me?

My goal is to purchase 5 homes in 90 days. The good news is that I already have renters for these properties, actually, I have more renters awaiting homes than I have houses to place them in. I definitely need help, advice, anything, but mostly $$$$$$$.


General Contractor · Warrenton, Virginia


Kirk, I am not sure what you are looking at, but since you are a GC... Look for the FUGLY ones.

Also I picked up a lot of interest from wholesalers and bird dogs at our local REIA meeting because I ask for trash properties no one else wants.

... That being said I need them to get me some properties!!! :)

At this point I have given up looking for deals. My time is better served in other areas of the deal to make money. Wholesalers can have 5-10K if the numbers are right.... Anyone walking away from the table with more wont be doing business with me again. After all if your job is a wholesaler and you cannot push more than one a month - you suck.

Good luck Kirk!!!


Real Estate Investor · Ohio


Kirk,

I agree with what Ryan is telling you all the way. Successful investors make a lot of offers to THE RIGHT PEOPLE. Those people are motivated sellers. Those who make offers shotgun style to regular retail sellers are only setting themselves up for disappointment. Remember, if they are not motivated for whatever reason, they have no reason to give you good terms, a good cash price or both. And they won't. If they are not motivated, next. This is a numbers game.

Remember every no is just one closer to the yes you are going to receive, IF you stick with it. If it were easy, everyone would do it. If you make 100 offers consistently to the right people, you will succeed eventually.

Be creative and learn to love the chase and negotiation. That is where you make the money. No other business rewards those who can think outside the box or creatively to meet the seller's NEEDS than real estate. Eventually, it is more like a game to you. Once you release all attachment to the outcome of any one deal, you will start to come into your own. It takes time sure. But stick with it. It gets easier and talking to sellers is the best education there is.

Good luck

Mike C



One of the biggest mistakes both new and old investors make is thinking it comes down to lots and lots of offers. The offer route is really the wrong approach.

We NEVER make offers. Putting a number on a Purchase and Sale Agreement and sending it off to someone with a house for sale makes no sense. Who knows if that's even close to being the right number?

Stop making offers and start making money. I have not had an offer turned down for at least 20 years (mainly because I don't make them).

Meet with sellers, talk about their wants and needs, and figure out a way to give it to them in a way that solves their problems and allows you to create tidy profits in the process. When you've reached an agreement, you just write it up. It's already acceptable (there'd be nothing to write, otherwise).

Make sense?

Belly-to-belly . . . or online works pretty good, too.




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