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Hello all -
I am new to the community and seeking counsel.

Long story short, I am an architect with a little construction background who happens to have an entrepreneurial spirit. Professionally and personally, I value discernment, discipline, and hard work- and from the service side of this business I cannot foresee handling the risk that would make my skill set feel like it's being challenged any time in the immediate future.
As I entertain the idea of continued education in real estate development I wanted to approach you to inquire the perceived value of a background in architecture within the field. Simply put, what level of credibility do Architects operate with within the real estate field?

My ultimate goal from where I am sitting today, would be to develop properties as an architect, acting as owner, contractor, and designer. (I'm assuming partnerships would be necessary early on as I am not joining the game with a great deal of capital)

I understand the subject matter is broad, however I DO know that I know nothing, and am glad to receive any advice that would awaken me to the realities of the profession.

Thanks!


Real Estate Investor · Austin, Texas


Architects are in a unique position to save some costs if they are in the development game. We hire architects for all of our projects. Construction can be a bit daunting to get into for the first time because there is so much to know and so many ways to make a mistake. Knowing the process with your local government in regards to permits is also key.

I'd start by networking in the local builder/developer community and hook up with a builder. Builders and architects don't always get along, but you're going to need each other. For your first one, let someone else build it and track what happens. Track all of the expenses and in what order they are done. Get copies of everything and you will be able to piece together the puzzle of new construction in your area.

The key things to watch out for are the following:

1) Insurance and liability
Make sure you get a good builder's risk policy. Know your liability for workers on the site. Talk to a professional about your obligations in your state. When you sell the house, someone has to be listed as the builder. That person has the lions share of the liability or at least should.

2) Surveys - make sure you can fit what you want. Lot slopes and trees can mess up your day as well as soil quality and proximity to waterways.

3) Permits and what order those permits are required

4) Budgets - the more accurate you can be before you spend, the less hair you will pull out.

5) Financing schedule - getting the money isn't so hard as spending it properly. You can starve your pipeline if you spend wrong. Make a schedule otherwise you will end up bringing more cash to the table to keep things moving.

6) Process - making sure you schedule contractors at the right time so they are efficient will save time and money. A good builder can help you here.

This is a very abbreviated list, but if you hit the above hard it should start uncovering the nuances required to do a full build project.

Get a good local mentor and work with an experienced builder on your first few. I have a feeling that as an architect you may want to build stuff that you like. Keep the market in mind. If I built what my architects wanted to build, I would break even because they all want to build palaces in markets that won't support what they are designing. So design for the market or you may find yourself with the most expensive house in the neighborhood which is just harder to sell.

John Blackman, Bullseye Capital Fund
Telephone: 800-577-0401
Website: http://www.bullseyecapfund.com/
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Real Estate Investor · St. Louis, Missouri


Hey Justin - Welcome to BiggerPockets!

John brings up some great points. I can relate to the difference between developing/designing for the market and for personal interest. This seems to always be a point of friction between developers and architects. I've found this to be a big hurdle for architects when they consider making a jump into development.

I've got several friends and former colleagues that are considering a transition from architecture into real estate development as well (formerly in architecture myself—now in development). The best advice I received early on was to reach out to professionals in development and chat about their backgrounds, career choices, etc. It helped immensely in understanding how and where to dedicate my own research/education. They also helped shape my understanding of the nuts/bolts of real estate development (still plenty to learn).

It sounds like you're thinking about pursuing a design-build development model. Definitely reach out design-build developers to get a sense for how they operate and structure their business. Coming from a design and construction background, you're at an early advantage because—all else equal—you can increase your return by keeping your design expenses in-house.

From a personal development/education perspective, you've got a great resource in BiggerPockets. The blogs, forums, and professionals on this site are second to none in providing expert industry knowledge.

The Urban Land Institute (ULI) is also a go-to resource for real estate development education, resources, and networking opportunities (similar to the AIA for architects).

Good luck and keep us posted!


Developer · Orange County, California


@Justin K. Welcome to BP. I have a few questions for you. What types of projects do you have experience designing? How long have you been doing it? Do you have a website?

The value you have as an architect can be a huge addition for someone (or yourself) putting together a project. With the investment of your time upfront on a project, and no real capital outlay, what you can add monetary value to a project, that can sometimes be credited as investment into a deal.

As an architect you are already familiar with all the aspects of development. We've financed, and marketed properties with little more than the ground being tied up, and a rendering.

So in answer to your question, it's a great skill set for development!

Karen Margrave, Parlay Investments, 1st American Construction
E-Mail: rivertown22@aol.com
Website: http://www.parlayinvestments.com
PARLAY: definition: to increase or otherwise transform into something of much greater value



Thanks for the thorough feedback, it is much appreciated, @John Blackman. I minored in the the construction arena and have worked for a builder so I superficially understand the apparent 'disdain' one has towards the other. It is an interesting dynamic and a key reason why I think any project could benefit from them being the same entity.

A good mentor would be more than ideal, and I've started networking with that in mind a little already. I will be sure and ask those questions you mentioned, @Kyle Zaylor to better outline the steps I should consider taking. The move to development from architecture seems to be spoken of often in design circles - its nice to hear from someone who actually DID something about it.

Thanks for the heads up on the ULI - I will look into it for any future meetings in my area.

Karen M., I've been working for roughly 4 years, and the website has been under construction for a while, (as these things tend to be when down time is hard to come by). I've split time working internationally and stateside on civic projects, as well as class A office buildings (towers). My interest in development stems from my desire to have a more holistic understanding of design/building/living that I think would have to start at a more personal and human scale.
That being said, I am grateful to be happily employed and will be learning until the end of time. I've just always been one to have my eye on the next thing and concern myself with preparing for these sorts of movements well in advance so that I may be ready when the opportunity presents itself.


Developer · Orange County, California


Justin K. We develop commercial properties specifically to sell to investors. The biggest division issue between developers like us and architects is in finding one that understands the balance between design aesthetics and cost of construction. It all has to work together in order to be able to make a project financailly viable.

On BP I often get people interested in learning about development. Today I decided to start a blog, and will be going through the process. I tried to write it so that those just starting out, and maybe buying a lot or splitting a parcel can follow along, etc. For someone such as yourself, it doesn't have a lot of info, but hope it will help the less experienced.

What types of projects are you wanting to do on your own? SFR, Urban infill or ?

It would be great to be able to do things with a little bit looser budgets, but for our purposes, the investors have a return they're looking for,so it's balance.
https://www.biggerpockets.com/blogs/3680/blog_posts/26210-so-you-want-to-be-a-developer

Karen Margrave, Parlay Investments, 1st American Construction
E-Mail: rivertown22@aol.com
Website: http://www.parlayinvestments.com
PARLAY: definition: to increase or otherwise transform into something of much greater value




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