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· Tucson, Arizona


I'm looking for a flaat fee lister. What questions should I be asking?
Thanks,
Ofgift


Real Estate Investor · Wyoming, Michigan


what EXACLTY do you get for the fee and what Don't you get.

Also, when do you pay that fee.

You're probably going to be more involved with the sale than a traditional listing agent.


Real Estate Agent · Anderson, South Carolina


Where is the MLS it will be listed on located. If it is on the MLS 50 miles away it will not be as effective as the MLS the agents in the area the property is located in are using.

Also, if the listing contract you sign is offering a commission to a buyer's agent, how much is it. You may be saving on the listing side but if you skimp on the selling side some agent haters think agents will not show it.

Be aware that some of what you save on the listing side you must allocate to use in marketing the property yourself to be succesful. All you are going to get in many cases is on the MLS, nothing more. What exactly do you get, and what are you obligating yourself to.

Some flat fee listers get their money upfront, and it is nonrefundable.

Can you find a buyer on your own?

Can you cancel the listing anytime?


· Tucson, Arizona


Jason and Mark, thank you. Those help.
Ofgift


Residential Real Estate Broker · Merrillville, Indiana


Hello,
You definitely want to make sure that your property will be listed in the appropriate MLS where it will be marketed most effectively. You also want to know what exactly is included. Flat fee listings are the way to go for people who mainly want to market their properties and are willing to pay a commission to a buying agent if they bring their buyer. Either way, you save at least 50% and you are expanding your marketing to a lot more potential buyers than just posting it in the newspaper or placing it on flyers.


· Tucson, Arizona


Thank you all. I did get a local lister, and my house was on market just shy of 2 months, I think. It closed three weeks ago. I took about 23K less than what I had hoped to get, but prices are so bad here, it was a matter of getting out of the way of an avalanche. Less than 2 weeks after I sold, prices in my neighborhood dropped several thousand more.
I had considered renting, even had a pm agent come tell me what it might rent for, but I wanted it sold. I don't like that the price was that amount, but was not in a position to sell prior to that.

Thanks for your input.


Commercial Real Estate Broker · Canton, Georgia


Just so people know agents can see in the MLS that a flat fee person listed your property.

2 things will happen.

The buyers broker will inform the clients they can come in with a lower offer as the seller is saving on the commission.

The buyers broker understands they will be helping the sellers and do twice the work for the same fee as the flat fee brokerage will provide limited help getting to closing.

This makes it a negative showing your property.

Bottom line is the listing broker did not create the market or a seller overpaying in the first place.Using a flat fee company is not in many cases going to solve your problems.


· Tucson, Arizona


Originally posted by Joel Owens
Just so people know agents can see in the MLS that a flat fee person listed your property.

Yes. Not all agents read well. lol. The agent who brought the buyer did know, and had no problems with that.

2 things will happen.

Originally posted by Joel Owens
The buyers broker will inform the clients they can come in with a lower offer as the seller is saving on the commission.

They did offer 100,000 and got an immediate rejection. Five weeks prior, I had originally listed it at 129K, based on neighborhood listings, particularly one across the street. Hers was listed at 145, and had been on the market 7 months at the time I listed.
Prices kept dropping-hard and fast. Days after I lowered mine to 119, she lowered hers to 136, with buyers choice of paint, certain flooring and appliances and still had no one looking.

Immediately after I rejected the 100K, the buyers countered with 115, and I took it. She then lowered her asking price to 125. She did get her house sold too, but the info is not yet available. She had a major addition I did not have, and with her inclusion of paint etc, maybe hers was worth 125. I bet she didn't get it. Since then, prices in that area have continued falling.

Originally posted by Joel Owens
The buyers broker understands they will be helping the sellers and do twice the work for the same fee as the flat fee brokerage will provide limited help getting to closing.

I still do not understand how the agent is "helping the seller" and going to do "twice the work"
There was also no extra work for her on my side. Everything went relatively smoothly. I refused to buy a AHS warranty, which the agent insisted on, ( I did agree to split the cost of a different co, but the agent wanted AHS)so the buyer did. I also refused to have either a termite inspection or buy a termite police, so the buyers did.
After the offer was accepted, if she did have extra work, it was caused by the buyer deciding to get financing, rather than going cash.
All of my paperwork was done, complete, and in on time. She had no extra work from MY side.

Originally posted by Joel Owens
This makes it a negative showing your property.
I hope she tells of her working with me and the good experience. She won't have a problem using another owner-seller based on our experience, and if she tells others, that opens the way for more.

Originally posted by Joel Owens
Bottom line is the listing broker did not create the market or a seller overpaying in the first place. Using a flat fee company is not in many cases going to solve your problems.

But I did create the market--MLS, Craigslist, local advertising, other websites, just as a lister would have. I did not do an open house, as we all know they are for the agent's buyers lists...
The low price was a result of the damaged economy here.
Thanks for the opportunity to respond to you.


Real Estate Investor · Atlanta, Georgia


My experience is similar to Joel's...

I know a lot of buyer's agents who steer clear of flat-fee listed properties, for a couple reasons:

1. The big flat-fee lister around here (one of the most successful brokerages in the country) is known for poor service, and many agents don't like to deal with them or their clients;

2. Sellers who use flat fee listing services are often less responsive than a listing agent, which makes sense because a listing agent has the job of being responsive;

3. Buyer's agents realize that they may have to do some hand-holding of the seller through the process if the flat-fee lister doesn't provide any back-end support.

I'm not saying you fit into any of these categories, but many sellers who use flat fee services do.

Another point to note -- the big brokerage in this area I mentioned above (again, one of the biggest in the country), does almost exclusively flat-fee listings. On average, their seller-clients pay over 7% in commissions on each sale.

Yes, you read that right...the sellers using the flat fee services average paying OVER 7% IN COMMISSIONS -- more than a seller who uses a typical full-service listing broker.

This is because the flat-fee brokerage provides a la carte pricing for lots of services -- the $500 flat fee listing, up-charge for signs, up-charge for agent lockbox, up-charge for marketing services, up-charge for negotiation support, up-charge for closing support, etc.

So, make sure the bargain you're getting is really a bargain...

J Scott, Lish Properties, LLC
Telephone: 770-906-6358
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· Tucson, Arizona


Originally posted by J Scott
3. Buyer's agents ...may have to do some hand-holding of the seller ...if the flat-fee lister doesn't provide any back-end support.

Originally posted by J Scott
I'm not saying you fit into any of these categories, but many sellers who use flat fee services do.

My lister provided NO support. Partly because of my previous experience with two FIVE DAY SALES, more than two years ago, listing with a different flat fee lister 3 years ago, and several years of reading and learning here on BP, I didn't need any. I DID need and want, the MLS listing. MANY THANKS, JOSH AND ALL! :mrgreen:

Originally posted by J Scott
the big brokerage in this area I mentioned above ...does almost exclusively flat-fee listings. On average, their seller-clients pay over 7% in commissions on each sale.

This is because the flat-fee brokerage provides a la carte pricing for lots of services -- the $500 flat fee listing, up-charge for signs, up-charge for agent lockbox, up-charge for marketing services, up-charge for negotiation support, up-charge for closing support, etc.


The agency I used was a one man operation, I have the impression he was brand new at it--I think I was his first client. :roll: THAT was a bit scary, but again, all I wanted from him was the MLS listing. That cost $299. He did have prices for those things you mentioned, but I had my own lockbox (from the previous sale), and I bought two signs from home depot. Just before that agent came along, I had considered having him plant his sign in the yard--$40, I think, but held off because I knew how slowly things were going. Very few people were looking. I decided to give it a few more weeks. Then the buyer showed up. I had the opportunity to meet the buyers the day after they saw it. The agent called and said they wanted to see it again before submitting an offer, but the lockbox was not working. I agreed to meet them within the half hour and let them in. They arrived as I was fiddling with the box. He took my tools--channel locks and pliers, and managed to get the box open. They had questions, and I answered, and offered a bit more information. We talked for about a half hour.

Originally posted by J Scott
So, make sure the bargain you're getting is really a bargain...

I will remember this, JScott, and thanks for posting that information.
My listing agent cost $299, signs $5, advertising about $100. (color fliers handed out in a mile radius.) Her commission was 3%--$3500. I did make one mistake that cost me about $120: Verbally we agreed that the buyer would pay all hoa fees beyond the transfer fees. I didn't catch that in the contract, and they wouldn't agree to either that, or a split. Because that was what was in the contract.
So, going by the contract, they got one garage door opener instead of two, but I did give them all the window security bar wrenches, also not included in the contract. :mrgreen:

Would I do another FSBO? absolutely, but I will check the listing office more closely. In fact, it was a negative experience I had with the first one that made me look for a different one.
Again, many thanks to Josh and the folks here who made this possible for me to do.
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Landlord


This is an excellent question--what questions to ask. There are so many questionable flat fee MLS listing websites out there, it is essential that sellers do their homework to avoid a bad experience. Many sellers fail, not because they went with a flat fee multiple listing, but because they chased saving the last dollar and got burned. Don't sign up for a listing until you have taken a couple of minutes for due diligence:

1. Call, do they answer their phone?
2. Any established flat fee listing service should have numerous past customer reviews online. These are not testimonials, which can be made up. Make sure you see reviews at an independent website where a complaint could be posted and the broker couldn't remove it. Enter the company name at http://maps.google.com, an established company should have multiple reviews.
3. Make sure they guarantee the right MLS in writing(used by agents in the area).
4. Check BBB.org Only new companies do not have a Better Business Bureau record, unless the company hasn't registered with the State as required (scary!).
5. Get a guarantee that they won't bid out the listing to the lowest bidder broker—some well-known companies are middlemen that send the seller to a completely different broker, paying them as little as $55—the seller gets stuck with a broker who needs to make more money to cover their costs, which isn't good.

Learn from other sellers' experiences-Spend your time and money wisely on your home sale. Thanks.


Real Estate Investor · Salt Lake C[ty, Utah


Can be a good thing with the right brokerage. I've been an investor now for 56 years and a broker for 46 years. And have seen them come and go. What I see now days is many of the users of these companies have the tendency to shoot themselves in the foot by fighting the selling process instead of embracing the chance to have agents with buyers show their properties but I don't expect anything different.

The real question is do they actually save money, the general answer is no, but in some cases the answer is yes and those are the ones used for selling purposes. The first thing I suggest is a right to cancel at any time clause.

My first experience was with help-u-sell way back when. I took a listing on a main artery in a tract and help-u-sell got one in a court one block away. Theirs had a very nice pool, a larger lot, a extended kitchen family room done when the home was being built, but the same model of home as mine.

I listed first, and they came on the market a few days later at the same price. I would have listed theirs for $25k more. Mine sold for $258k in 30 days, theirs sold for for $233k in 120 days but in the newspaper after closing was their ad, with the sellers smiling in front of the sold sign with the agent, and the caption we saved $4,700 with help-u-sell.

All I could do is feel bad for the sellers, they came through my first open house and were a great young couple, he was being offered a promotion to Florida but the company only paid for the movers, so they wanted as much cash as they could to restart there, thus the choice they made.

Many years later I was buying the office of a retiring broker
and when I had a meeting with the agents there they were all hot to try a concept they had heard of, flat fee listing, it would act as a loss leader like retail businesses use, and many would become buyers and many would convert to full service,and the signs would generate business, so I left the company name the same and separate from mine and gave it a shot.

Well 7 months later the market started the 1989 nose dive, this concept seemed to be in place at the right time, but it sucked, the agents still had the service attitude and couldn't help but give full service, taking time from other duties, and the first thing the sellers did was ruin our for sale signs by converting them to for sale by owner signs, so we made mandatory adjustments but the seller were really getting full service because the agents just couln't turn down requests for this that and everything and working free.

The straw that broke the camels back was when I got top dollar for a home in an area that hadn't had a sale in over 2 years and then when I informed the sellers I had exactly what they were looking for at a bargain price, they said no thanks we are going to use a "real agent" to buy our new place. The kicker is they bought the place I had picked for them and paid 30% more then I could have gotten it for them.

I ruined their move in day by showing them the documentation proving what they could have paid and then thanked them for giving me the final reason I needed to close the office down. Not very much class, but I felt much better and I know their agent had to do some explaining since she was such a part of selling them on using a "real agent" to give them quality representation and get the best deal for them.


Commercial Real Estate Broker · Canton, Georgia


It's all relative.

In SOME cases even with FSBO you can save but in many cases you lose.Just like lotto tickets you hear the occasional winner and not the thousands and thousands of losers.

I am really happy it worked out for you.

My clients on the commercial side understand the value of time and money.Meaning they do not have hundreds and hundreds of hours to learn the selling process to save a little on commission.

If you look at it they really LOSE MONEY because it takes away time from their business or area of expertise where they make a lot more money then their perceived savings on any commission.

So in that respect my clients are always glad to pay usually whatever fee I have as long as it is not outrageous.Mostly 7 to 10% depending on what it is.

I work with clients who put a premium on time and want help and will pay for it.There is a market for flat fee companies that is a volume business.That's not the type of business I want just like I am not into the per transaction fee model for agents on that end either.




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