Can someone suggest a good way to estimate repair costs, or should I just stick with quotes from multiple contractors?
Can someone suggest a good way to estimate repair costs, or should I just stick with quotes from multiple contractors?
Xactimate. Hands down best/easiest estimating program I've ever used. And I've created about 1200 estimates.
How do we get our hands on this program Tim? What does it cost? Is it a software application?
Thanks in advance.
Will
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Will,
I did an internet search - www.xactware.com - they even have training courses
John
I have not used it myself, but have some friends who are Cat Adjusters and they seem to like it.
I think it runs about $200 a month or so and is a web based program.
The adjuster version runs $300 for a 30 day license. The program will still work after that but you won't get pricing updates without buying a further license. For adjusters, we must keep our pricing updated so we typically buy 1 year licenses.
I'm not sure what the contractor version does.
Thanks for the recommendation, Tim. I've contacted the company to see if there is a way we (BiggerPockets) can work with them.
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Josh,
I know they've been watching this site. I gave a referral for them a couple months ago here in the forums and was e-mailed by a representative from Xactware corporate for a testimonial.
Tim
RSMeans puts out several estimating books. Some are pretty pricey though. The one I have ($25 bucks) is titled, "Interior Home Improvement Costs". They also have one for exterior improvements. In the back of the book they have a section for adjusting the cost based on your location.
Not a bad book for rough estimates. I used it alot when I was in construction.
Also, a great way to learn about the estimating process and way various jobs can be done is to have out several contractors and have them explain how, why, and how much their tactic works and will cost. You may find that sometimes the prices differ dramatically, not because of inferior materials or labor, but because one contractor is using a different approach to the job.
Joe
I think the best thing would be to do both. Develop a spreadsheet that will help you perform a takeoff on the specific elements of the project and associate costs to those tasks. Then solicit bids / pricing and develop another spreadsheet to track and evaluate these prices. Compare the two so you can stay up to speed with current pricing in your local market and viola!
I found this site that has lots of pre-configured templates specific to the construction industry that are designed for MS Office, a program you probably already have anyway (Like myself and most other PC users). Saved me tons of time building spreadsheets and other documents because they've already done the work. I think the guy is a contractor himself.
You might want to check it out: http://www.constructionofficeonline.com
Folks, please note that the site in the previous post sells Office templates.
You have to know these repairs
costs of the top of your head
Software forms contractors forget it
If you do not know go to home depot
and talk to the trades people walking
in/out
In fact pick up a guy there he will moonlight tilers HVACs, ect they'
all go into these places
You have to know repair prices
right away and where to get the
absolute bottom price and the best
quality.
If you do not have these connections
get them of find them
If you have to ask price this clearly
shows you that you do not know this
or the basics in investment property
SKI
Instead of telling a newbie that "If you do not have these connections get them of find them If you have to ask price this clearly shows you that you do not know this or the basics in investment property", why don't you share where and how you got your information/knowledge? I mean, you remember when you first started in the business, right? Was it helpful to you back then if someone basically told you, "You don't know what you're doing" when you asked them a question?
Gaining knowledge and experience is a process- not an event. Please share how you become knowledgeable in estimating repair costs.
I agree with Howard here
I am a contractor and I get calls ALL THE TIME from folks who want us to come out and give them a free estimate. They think I get excited walking around with them while they talk about the amazing project they want to build. When I ball park it for them, they freak out because they do not have a clue what a project will cost or what it costs to do an estimate (figure 40 hours or more for a big project) or run a contracting company.
It takes decades to know how to do an estimate on a complicated project. A handy guy can do one for a new door or vanity, not a big project. This is when an unprofessional contractor moves off your job and you call a lot looking for him.
The absolute best way to get a great estmate on a complicated project is to pay a GC for one, OR develop a relationship with a great general contractor you will actually give the work to. He/she can show you their costs and mark up on costs.
I tell my investors right up front that minimum mark up on COGS is 1.5 - 1.67 for a complicated custom project. Your contractor is going to want to walk away with 5% profit minimum on a commercial project, or 8 -10% profit on a residential project. As a professional investor, you should understand your contractor too is in business to make a profit.
You can also hire a GC as a project manager to do this coordinating for you, he/she is gonna want to see 12 -14% of project revenue as pay.
You can find Cost vs Value reports in Remodeler Magazine. They put regional reports out annually.
You can locate reputable professional contractors via NARI or Remodelers Advantage - 2 national professioanl organizations. Our company belongs to RA.
Stick to your knitting and hire a pro. Develop your team.
Diane
Diane is right on. If you are doing a project that requires more than 1-2 trades then a GC is worth the investment.
A GC will provide you with a guarenteed price, and a guarenteed standard of quality.
If you do try to deal w/ multiple contractors yourself w/ no experience count on spending 30-50% above your original estimates and fighting like hell to get them to finish their work to the quality that you expect or even finishing their work at all.
http://www.marshallswift.com/p-113-the-home-repair-remodel-2009-cost-guide.aspx
It's been mentioned to me before, however I have not tried this route yet. Is to get a ride a long with an insurance adjuster and bring your sponge brain for maximum absorbing.
You guys should stick to your knitting - RE investing.
You should team up with professional remodelers and builders, GC, and also team with some small solo folks like plumbers, electricians, painters, etc.
All these folks should be in our team. Have lunch with them. Spend some time. Give your team members the work. Don't nickle and dime. Don't try to learn how to be a GC. Approach them from a place of abundance.
I did an informal check on some other GC's I know who all do around 1 mil a year. It costs them about 100K of personal investment (time, free labor, family loans...) to get the business to where they can gross 1 mil.
It takes about 10,000 hrs of time, to be an expert at anyting. (read Outliers by Malcom Gladwell)
Just 2 things to think about when you pay $200 for an estimating tool.
Good luck to you.
Diane
I have a worksheet for all those interested. I have used it for yrs. I revert back to it every know and then, but it is excellent for NEWBIES, OLDIES and GOODIES. Just being funny, but if you would like a copy pm me your email address and I will get it to you.
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