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· West Virginia


Foreclosure for around 75k with 45 to 50 lots and currently 16 tenants. The homes do not belong to the Park and the city has liens on them as well as Greentree.
Area of town is weaker. Park across the street has 50% vacancy. For such a low price, this could be a gold mine? Lot rent is currently only $75 , but could be raised. Realtor seems to think one could work out a deal with the Lien holders for the homes in exchange for lot fees due. There are 16 homes.
If anyone has any genuine interest, I may consider partnering for a flip.



Hi Joe,

I'd make sure of the demand in the area - make sure you can fill the lots and the #s of what people are willing to pay. Also, you want to check the infrastructure of the park.

If the homes do not belong to the park and they all have liens from the city and Greentree, I'd be very careful. It would depend on the Greentree rep in your area - sometimes they are non responsive and sometimes do not pay what is owed to the park. I've heard cases where Greentree owed parks thousands of dollars and homes sat vacant for years. The parks finally got proactive with the eviction process, which takes some time and Greentree ended up pulling the homes out of the park on a Sunday. Yes, it's true - they just took off with the homes without paying the park the back lot rent owed. These are just the stories that I've heard.

If you take on the park, you need to be proactive in the eviction process should you have vacant homes with liens on them that the park does not own. As for the liens from the city, it's been rare (in my experience) the city will negotiate tax liens but you can always try talking with them.

Hope that helps!


· West Virginia


good stuff. Greentree can pretty dirty.
Ultimately, I think the park is too far away to manage, but with that many spaces, it sounds tempting.


Real Estate Investor · Denver, Colorado


OK... In this market, unless you really know what your doing filling parks with high vacancy's is a no no. Here is why... to buy, move and set up a home to fill you park will cost roughly $10,000 - $15,000. The value it adds to your park, at $75 pad rent might be $6,000. Now your jsut selling homes to make a living. If your looking at a park to infill, it must support pad rents of at least $150 per month... and that is still really tight. Now maybe there is lots of upside on the pad rents in this park, maybe there is upside elsewhere also... but the math off the bat would tell me to pass.

All that said... the distance you are from the park is really pretty easy to deal with. I find the farther away my parks are, the better I manage them... I keep visiting the park that is 2 hours from my house, but my park that is two flights and a overnight trip... I seem to manage fine using the internet, phone, US mail and my manager...

Funny how we will waste time because we do things better, even if it costs us money... or time...

I AM GUILTY!


· West Virginia


Jim,
Great reply. That's encouraging that you succeed regardless of the distance, or in spite of it.
I was thinking of working with the homes and current lot rent, about $1500 month and then gradually renting the other 30 or so spaces.
Also raising rent. Sounds like your philosophy is to bring your own homes in? What about just renting the spaces? I know it would take time to fill, but if you advertised?



I hear you, Joe - it can be pretty tempting, sometimes wish you can move the park too!

p.s. If the demand is there and you think the park's rents are undervalued, it could work - it all depends on the market and the demand in the area. I'd be careful about trying to get others to come in and fill the park - I've known park owners who have depended on that model and struggled. It's best to be pro-active and not have to wait for things to happen. Hope that helps!


Real Estate Investor · Denver, Colorado


Originally posted by mountainjoepa
Jim,
Great reply. That's encouraging that you succeed regardless of the distance, or in spite of it.
I was thinking of working with the homes and current lot rent, about $1500 month and then gradually renting the other 30 or so spaces.
Also raising rent. Sounds like your philosophy is to bring your own homes in? What about just renting the spaces? I know it would take time to fill, but if you advertised?


I actually only take on one infill park at a time. They really take a lot of time. My real bread and butter is to fine parks with upside on space rent and in utilities that can be sub metered or reduced through improved infrastructure or management. Remember for every $1 I increase revenue, or decrease expenses I bump the sales price between 8 and $10. More if the park will sell on a CAP under 10.

I just bought a park and put in water meters. The city now reads and charges the tenants for water. Just this move decreased my expenses by about $20,000 per year... That adds about $180,000 to the value of that park. I have not even touched revenue, or space rent yet, just decreased the expenses to operate the park. Time from start to finish... 90 days. It is a bit more complex than I am making it sound... but that is in the operations side and I will not bore you with the little details...
I spoke with a friend today that is putting a park under contract that needs 100 homes. The pad rent is $425 per month. Each home site filled in his market adds about $45,000 to the value of the park... quick math, pull in 100 homes costs about $1,000,000 and gives him a value increase of 4.5 million. So if he gave the homes away, he would only make 3.5 million... the power of CAP rates... he is in a 8 to 8.5 CAP market...
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