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So as many know the SB1070 was to go into place at 12:01am tonight but the judge just ruled blocking the KEY components of the law. Law enforcement are not required to make a reasonable attempt to determine immigration status. illegal immigrants DON'T have to APPLY or CARRY legal document/ I.D because its not a crime!!! I'm required by LAW to carry my identification and I'm a LEGAL citizen. Its also ok now for the crowd of illegal immigrants to stand out in front of Home Depot and solicit for work. If I were to seek employment, I must provide identification. Here's whats funny, the judge is allowing some of the silly stuff like making it a dumb@ss misdemeanor for harboring/transporting illegals. This means that I can become a coyote and charge $1500 a head for transporting them and if I get caught, get a slap on the wrist Seriously, whats going to be left of our great nation if illegal immigration isn't dealt with and enforced. |
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I'm required by LAW to carry my identification Really? What law is that? I can't produce a pointer, but I suspect you're required to carry your driver's license if you're driving. But I don't think there's a law mandating you carry ID. |
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Wish you were illegal?? Really now? The truth is that if you want to stand outside Home Depot for a job, you would not need to provide id either. The reason illegals do that is because they can't get the jobs you can because they don't have id. (nor should they be able to, IMO)
The judge has only said the police are not REQUIRED to do this, they still can if they choose to just like they always have been able to.
AZ should certainly be able to put measures in place to deal with it, they simply have to make sure those measures are within our constitution.
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A US citizen visiting any other country is required to carry a passport or other approved documentation. I believe most would even routinely ask for this if you were stopped. You are required to provide documentation for employment and fill out an I-9. You must carry your drivers license and proof of insurance when driving. There are many instances that documentation is required. How is it that illegals can drive, get jobs, get welfare and other assistance legally when they don't have proper identification? The problem is that the government has looked the other way for so many years and allowed a situation that has become practically impossible to fix. When I travel it always seems almost a farce that customs checks so closely. Illegals can come in openly and by the caravan full basically when ever they choose. |
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There is an election just around the corner folks! TC P.S. Don't drink and vote! |
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This issue has been screwd up for years. Funny how an issue comes to the forefront and who ever is in office gets blamed because the people woke up and caught a problem and then pointed their finger at the current guy in office! Who benefits from having the illegals in the country, who benefits? The employers who hire them that's who. And who represents them......well, that's why it wasn't taken care of 8 years ago! Later.... An Nick, you don't have to carry any ID, unless you're driving a vehicle, but if you leave the country, say Europe and a cop asks for you passport/ID, if you don't have it you go to jail and don't get to pass go! You get to go when they figure out who you are. I'm outta here, no politics for me, thanks....lol |
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Does the US Constitution pertain to the entire world or only US Citizens? Rhetorical question. If the citizenship of the person is in question, do you apply Constitutional law if they are on US soil? Who benefits from illegal aliens? Everyone who has eaten American Produce. Who gets hurts by illegal aliens? Everyone whose tax dollars give benefits to illegal aliens. So we are trading lower priced strawberries for kids in school with our kids, who can't speak English, thus dragging down the advancement of the entire class. An overall view of illegal immigration will show that it is a much bigger detriment to the US economy than it is a help. The border between AZ and Mexico is both a state and federal border. But once someone is on AZ soil, then states rights kick in and AZ has the right to "protect it's house" just as we have a right to "protect our house." |
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It's funny how a talk about immigration is focused specifically on Mexicans as if they are the only illegal aliens in our country. What about Italians or Russians or Haitians or Cubans or Africans or people from everywhere else that come in illegally? Yes our tax dollars are going to support some of these people, but they come from all races and all nationalities. It's republicans and other bigots who keep the focus on Mexicans only. You think all terrorists are American now? I may not like that immigrants get our resources but many of them sure as heck work way harder than any American I know. I wish we could trade, send lazy Americans across the border for hard working immigrants. The world would be a totally different place. |
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Tracy has a point! Although she has a way of hitting me below the belt! Last discussion, I was a nasty Contractor, now I'm a Republican "bigot”! For several years I was a partner in Chinese restaurants. We paid above average wages, had a great clientele (university towns) and although some of our workers over stayed their student visa's, they had SS #'s and paid taxes. The thing is....they could make more $$$ delivering Chinese orders than they could make back home with an engineering degree from the U.S.! I have seen their work ethic, too. As a contractor, I need to keep jobs on schedule. My drywall contractor has Hispanic crews. They do Top Notch Work, show up every day and meet any reasonable schedule I give them. The contractor's prices are comparable to non Hispanic firms. There are laws that require documentation of legal status and it is the Drywall contractor's responsibility to see that his workers are legal. The point is....they are all good people and hard workers. I always catch flack when I talk about this, so I'm putting on my flack jacket and hitting "Post Reply"
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Oh man Bill, what can I do to make it up to you. Bill is not nasty everyone, lol. Bill there are good and bad in everything. One thing I know for certain is most contractors beat their wives. Not you Bill, but everytime I have ever listed a job on craigslist and looked up prospects, that ole domestic abuse charge always pops up. it's a loose joke guys, where's the humor, i am laughing out loud I apologize, not all republicans are bigots unless they are on fox news. lol |
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Edited: 07/28/2010 at 06:06PM by mdlandlord |
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I personally welcome any and all immigrants. I don't blame them for wanting to be here and I certainly do agree on immigrants work ethic. I would rather SB1070 not happen and it replaced with something better. Something more welcoming and beneficial for immigrants and citizens. Where is that line drawn? Who knows. What really gets under my skin is the lack of enforcement of federal illegal immigration laws on both federal and state level. |
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This is the biggest load of crap I've ever heard on this forum, and I've heard some severe loads of crap here. You need to think before you open your mouth next time given the number of contractors turned investors on this forum. |
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Edited: 07/28/2010 at 06:05PM by Tim W. |
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There are so many controversial comments on this small thread already (contractors beating wives, republicans are bigots, etc.) that I may as well make some controversial comments here. When I first came to Arizona, I was driving around with another BP member and noticed some people hanging around by the roadside. Upon asking, I was informed that they were illegal aliens looking for work in broad daylight. My first reaction was shock. And then I thought to myself: what a wonderful country where people have the freedom to violate a law openly and nobody does anything about it. It think we have way too much government control over every little aspect of our lives that it is really refreshing to see these people be able to open flout immigration laws. I just wish I could do the same thing with the most annoying law in America - speed limits! BTW, I do agree with some of the previous posters about the work ethic of immigrants. The ones that I have encountered have been wonderful hard workers. They are probably the legal variety but I suspect the illegal ones have to work even harder and perhaps with less compensation. I have no problem with enterprising and hard-working people coming to my town to reduce my cost of various services, such as cleaning my home, landscaping my yard, etc. And finally, I think the comparison to other countries having stricter identification rules is not a good one. First, I hardly think it is a good idea to become more like Europe, etc. Second, whenever I have traveled in any country (and I have traveled quite extensively), I have always flouted the ID rules by leaving my passport, etc. in my secure hotel safe. I have never been arrested and I am sure most cops in most countries have enough common sense not to throw you in jail for a minor infraction like that. |
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Because Mexicans are coming over at a greater rate then any other illegal IMO. It's alot easier to walk across the "border" then swim across the ocean. This came from someone not living in Southern Arizona, everyone I discuss this with from non southern states dont understand. Move to AZ and find out for yourself. |
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No no no... They can't walk across because Arizona doesn't border Mexico. A brilliant liberal told me so. |
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If states were serious about "fixing" the immigration problem all they would have to do is pass a law to make it a FELONY to employ illegals. When employers are tossed in jail the situation will correct itself very quickly. I always think it is funny when people start talking about these people being hard working. The corollary is that Americans are lazy. This simply is not true! Americans are just addicted to making a better living than the slave wages we want to pay illegals. There are tons of citizens that would perform the same tasks equally well for more money. Businesses benefit from cheap labor with the current policy so it won't change. This is a shame because porous borders are a severe national security problem. National security should be the NUMBER ONE (!!!) function of the government. This is another shining example of how poor of a job the government does at doing anything correctly. Build big walls with guns at the top of them and throw people that employ illegals in jail for 20+ years with no appeals process. That will fix the problem over night. |
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Yeah, and we need to do something about the "dump and leave" law where an illegal woman can cross illegally, give birth, and, VOILA, the kid is a citizen!! And I agree, it is not just Mexicans. I know of one Filipina and one lady from Taiwan who flew to Hawaii to do this.
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Edited: 07/28/2010 at 07:24PM by Tom C. |
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Bryan, I pretty much disagree with everything you have said in your post! 1. Immigration is a federal matter so it is not up to the states to make it a felony if federal laws are violated. 2. The average immigrant, in my opinion, IS harder working than the average person born and raised in the U.S. I can see the difference in my contractors and I have seen the difference over many employees that I have hired in the past. Some Americans, of course, are extremely hard-working and motivated. But, on average, immigrants are harder-working. Once you hire enough people of both groups, you will realize that what I am saying is true. It is not a meant to be a slight and is simply an observation based on lots of experience. 3. Yes, businesses benefit from cheap labor. I consider that a good thing. I do not see any national security problems with the current immigration policy. As far as I know, most of our national security issues have come from home-grown terrorists or terrorists who flew in on planes with valid visas. 4. I agree that the government has been doing a poor job of enforcing immigration policy. I consider that a good thing and wish the government would do an equally poor job in enforcing the hundreds of thousands of pages of other regulations that make everything so bureaucratic. 5. Violation of immigration laws, in my opinion, should not even be a crime. It should be a civil offense. Crimes should be reserved for actions that cause significant harm to others or put other people in danger - not for simple economic activites. In any event, my experience with political discussions has been that nobody every changes their mind on anything and things just get more strident with each post. :( |
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Just so everyone knows......I am Bill's wife, and he definitely doesn't beat me! However, if he doesn't toe the line............... Seriously, I think Tracey is joking, so no offense taken. This seems to be a polarizing hot topic with high emotions. I think I'll go back to talking about REI and short sales! |
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They can and do get proper ID to drive. Illegals can get drivers licenses in most states. Incidentally they can drive here on their foreign license too just like we can drive with our US license in most countries.
They often do have proper ID for these things.
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Posted: 07/28/2010 at 12:24PM
