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Real Estate Investor · Palm Springs, California


I'm buying a new property. I'm remodeling the units and turning them into corporate rentals. All current tenants are on month to month leases.

How do I not renew the month to month leases for these good tenants? I thought about giving them each 2 months notice and then paying their moving expenses or something along those lines. How do I do this ethically?


Multi-family Investor · Rochester, New York


So the corporation will be paying more?
IMO long term tenants are as attractive as corporate tenants because of the reduced turnover and costs associated with freshening up. Also, they are much less likely to cause damage. People that are not paying the bill have no reason to keep the place in shape, and often cause undue damages, theft, etc. They also tend to party more, speeding up the normal "wear and tear" abuse.

That said, why offer any concessions for giving the boot? After all, it is your property and your investment. If their rental rate is not providing for an adequate CF...

You COULD give them the option staying in the unit, provided the pay the same rate the corporation will be paying.

2 months should be adequate notice, but they will complain no matter what. So, once you make a decision, stick with it. You'll get plenty of stories about how they're looking, but nothing is available... blah blah blah. Most of the time they're not even looking! I monitor the rentals in the area, so when they play that card I start asking, "did you look at the house on XYZ street that is renting for $600?" ... Of course, they must have missed that one.

You're running a business, treat it like one :D

Cheers,
Mark


Real Estate Investor · Palm Springs, California


Thanks for the feedback Mark. It's an idea I've vetted in another property I own down the street. I've been able to get over twice the normal rental rate and still come out profitably despite having to buy furniture and pay utilities because I'm cheaper than area extended stay hotels. The people who can afford my rates are usually homeowners themselves and so far, have taken care of my stuff (knock on wood)

The current tenants would be looking at a rent increase of the corporate rate minus utilities and furniture housewares and appliances depreciation.

I guess I could give them that option, but I appreciate the hard line approach. If it comes to that, then it does.

I just don't want to have to get into eviction because they neglected to look, so I was trying to think of a way to keep things pleasant and avoid all that, but I suppose uprooting someone from where they live is always just that.


Real Estate Investor · Austin, Texas


How is this an ethical question? The lease should specify these procedures. If it doesn't just do what is reasonable from a notice standpoint. I see no reason to pay their moving expenses. They signed month-to-month leases so they should know the dangers of operating a business in that manner.

Raise the rents to market rates and be done with it. They are operating in YOUR building.

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Real Estate Investor · Palm Springs, California


Hi Bryan,

It may not be a true ethical question, but its pretty clear to me that I'm not going to be able to raise the rents and it have the same effect on revenue. They are currently paying $450. I know from my other property that I will be getting $1,500 per unit per month, easily.

Also, I'm sorry I wasn't thorough in the original question, the former landlord allowed the leases to expire and DEFAULT to month to month. This may or may not be top of mind to the tenants, so I was just trying to get creative suggestions on managing perceptions because its a small town, and I don't want anyone damaging the place as they move their stuff out. Paying moving expenses was only my first idea.


Residential Real Estate Agent · Newport Beach, California


So you're buying a property where the tenants don't have valid lease agreements, and are paying far below market rent?

Sounds like you need to get them out as quickly as possible- I would say give 30 days notice from COE, or offer to help them with whatever CFK payments make sense to get them out sooner.

Ethics/emotions are not really part of this equation.

On another note... if you're buying rental units in the desert, we should talk. I've got plenty to sell.


Real Estate Investor · Austin, Texas


Well the tenant's lack of oversight in the lease structure is not your problem either. A lengthy notice process would seem more than sufficient to me. Paying their moving costs seems unreasonable unless there are other issues that haven't been brought up in the thread.

You could couple the lengthy notice period with an option for them to pay market rents at the end of the notice period. After shopping for other suitable space they may conclude that your deal is the best from a return on energy standpoint. To me that I what I would be focused on...how to possibly get the existing tenants to stay at market rates.

Can you live with them staying several months at current rates as part of your business plan? Giving them the chance to shop and see your deal may still work seems like the best approach to me.

Small_bullseye_capital_logoBryan Hancock, Bullseye Capital Real Property Opportunity Fund
E-Mail: b.hancock@bullseyecap.com
Telephone: 1-800-577-0401
Website: http://www.bullseyecapfund.com
I help busy people profit from real estate


SFR Investor · Lansing, Michigan


If they are that good, consider finding another property for them. Do whatever you can to keep good tenants, as you never know what the next people may be like.


SFR Investor · Rancho Cucamonga, California


60 day notice letter and explain in the letter that you are converting them to corporate leases. No concession, no further explanations required.


Real Estate Investor · Chicago, Illinois


I have to agree with the majority of the posts here. In my day job, we have a large number of properties (throughout the Midwest) that when leases expire, they default to m-t-m's. The leases are written that way, and they are still considered valid leases. See if you can relocate them to one of your other properties. And a 60 day notice is plenty, as long as it agrees with the terms of the current lease.



If you find another rental property for them, be sure to ask the landlord for a finder's fee. (Don't violate RE broker laws regarding commissions and such.)




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