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Real Estate Consultant · Charlotte, North Carolina


Had a property under contract which was in preforeclosure, 2 weeks before closing the property landed in foreclosure with the bank stating that the property would be sold on the court house steps. The only way to salvage the deal is to implement a new contract for 10k more than our original contract or purchase at court house steps. As I've never done auctions before would anyone share any insights as to the auction process, and what pitfalls I should be aware of.


Landlord · Seattle, Washington


Do you have some idea how much is owed to the bank? There are many times that the property doesn't get sold at auction. You would have an advantage over many other investors, having already done your due diligence, in the auction, but I will let others discuss potential pitfalls to watch out for.


Note Investor · Tempe, Arizona


Each state has different foreclosure laws, so it would depend on which state the property is located in. If the property has not been sold at the foreclosure sale, any lien holders must accept the payoff amount and release their lien.

Your post is unclear as to the terms of your purchase contract. The fact that the bank has stated they are going to foreclose should have no effect on your purchase, unless the foreclosure sale takes place before you are able to close and the lien is paid off. If you offer a more detailed explanation perhaps we would be able to give more specific answers.


Real Estate Consultant · Charlotte, North Carolina


Thanks, to give more detail the state is North Carolina and my lender had stated that we could close by the end of the second week in January. The loan would be a standard 30 year fixed. Apparently the bank has already foreclosed and are saying that they are going to sell the property at court auction. Does it make sense to bid at auction since I'm looking to fund the deal with a conventional loan, and would this mean starting the loan process all over again.


· Costa Mesa, California


I have been to few auctions and there has quite a dynamic to it, because the people that I have seen at them are regulars, and some are ready to play the bidding game. Some will just start jacking up the price without the intention of winning the bid but just to bid up interested people. You need cashiers checks ready to go. If you want to use a conventional loan then you will most likely need to wait and if the property does not get sold at the auction then you can walk down to the bank and make them an offer. I am not an expert at this and I don't know how other auctions work other than here is Southern California. Best of Luck.


Real Estate Investor · Alpharetta, Georgia


I don't follow 100%. Why the need to bump things up $10K? Either your contract was enough to pay off the old lender or it wasn't. (Or is the difference to cover the legal fees, etc.?)

You can always stop the auction by bringing the loan current. There's some number out there that will stop the auction; this is the borrower's right. You could front the cash to bring the loan current, then have the property deeded to you while leaving the existing loan intact. This is called "subject to" because you're getting the deed "subject to" the existing lien.

You could explore getting the loan caught up, getting the deed "subject to," then refinancing the property to take the old loan out. It's somewhat complicated, and your title company may not know what you're doing, but it can be done.

These deals are not for the faint of heart, though.


Rehabber · Chandler, Arizona


Apparently the bank has already foreclosed and are saying that they are going to sell the property at court auction. Does it make sense to bid at auction since I'm looking to fund the deal with a conventional loan, and would this mean starting the loan process all over again.

Rodney, some of your statements are unclear. If the bank already foreclosed, then it already went to auction. Someone may have bought it already or it went back to the bank.

When is/was the auction date?

Do you need to negotiate a short sale or does your offer cover all liens?

You will need cash to buy the house at auction. I think in NC you need 5% of purchase price on day 1 and the balance is due at a later time. Not sure when, as NC has a unique auction process.

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Note Investor · Tempe, Arizona


Rodney, you are confusing a couple of different concepts. The bank has not foreclosed, the foreclosure is the act of selling the property at a foreclsoure sale (auction). What the lender has done is accelerate the note (call it all due, principal + interest + legal fees) and probably post it for foreclosure with the county.

North Carolina is a non judicial foreclosure state, so there is no "court" auction. The foreclosure sale or auction would be handled by the trustee of the trust deed, a private party. As long as the sale has not taken place you or anyone else can purchase the property and have the loan paid off out of the purchase proceeds.

North Carolina is unique in that there is a 10 day redemption period after the foreclosure sale so that the debtor can still pay off the property and retain ownership if the debt is paid off within 10 days of the actual sale.

I don't know if the deal is worth persuing for you, but if it is you would be best advised to spend $300 or so for the advice of an attorney specializing in North Carolina real estate law.

As a side note, even if you can not close before the foreclosure sale, all is not lost. The debtor can probably optain a temporary restaining order (TRO) from a county court temporarily blocking the foreclosure sale. Also a declaration of bankruptcy, which can be file pro se by the debtor, will put an automatic stay on the foreclsoure auction.

This all may be more complicated than what you had originally bargained for, and if you are new to the game you might want to pass and move on to the next deal. On the other hand you may want to mix it up and try to negotiate an even better deal since the seller would likey get nothing if the property does go to foreclosure.


Real Estate Consultant · Charlotte, North Carolina


Okay, as of date of acceptance of offer I was told that this was a short sale that the bank and seller were in agreement with my offer, this was in late Sept. My lender stated that after the seller negotiating some issues with creditors and the bank we could close by 2nd week in January at the latest. Three days ago I'm told basically that the bottom fell out and the bank wants to call the loan, it turns out that the property was in preforeclosure status the entire time and there was no official statement of this given to me, and the bank stating that the file went to fha and they were no longer satisfied with the contract amount, and they would sell at auction. The bank also stated that due to additional fees to make the deal work the new number would be an additional 10k to cover what the seller owed outstanding on the loan and additional fees. Sounds a bit convoluted and I'm not willing to up my contract price by 10k and figure that at auction I may get a better deal. Just assuming that I'm not being strung along byany of the involved entities, and yes in NC I do need to bring 5% of bid amount to auction, although I'm not sure how this works out with my need to use conventional financing to close the deal.


Note Investor · Tempe, Arizona


Usually the lender will automatically bid the amount outstanding at auction, so you would not get a better deal at the foreclosure auction. You MAY get a better deal buying the property from the lender if it becomes an REO, but this is doubtful.

There are all kinds of problems purchasing property at a foreclosure auction, including buying property without a title insurance policy, having to pay cash with almost no immediate loan possibility, and no guarantee that other liens superior to the one foreclosed on are not lurking out there. Best to leave foreclosure auction bidding to the people who do it for a living!


Real Estate Investor · Holly Springs, North Carolina


Rodney, the additional $10K is most likely to cover the required legal fees (the largest being the trustee fee) for the courthouse sale. The details are spelled out under 'power of sale' in the deed of trust and in the NC general statutes. Don brings up good points, and if you have not covered all the bases you may be in for a financial disappointment. I hope you have a really good attorney helping you out.


Real Estate Investor · Springfield, Missouri


And again, the bank can not dictate anything, if your contract is sufficient to payoff the loan, that's all they get. up to the minute before the Trustee, anounces the sale on the steps. If there is no sale, the Trustee may be limited to what fees they can collect, so he is in a hurry to get to the sale. The bank is liable if they fail to provide the payoff or refuse to accept sufficient funds, not just with the borrower but also with you as you lose the property.


Residential Real Estate Agent · Newport Beach, California


I'm not sure this question has been answered...

In CA you have to have cashiers checks for the amount of your bid in order to purchase at the courthouse. Starleen pointed this out earlier and her assessment of the OC courthouses auctions is spot on.

What no one seems to have made a distinction on is whether or not you can finance courthouse purchases in North Carolina. I can't imagine this is possible, because of the need to satisfy the debt or have the property revert to the beneficiary right then and there, but I'm open to being wrong.

Don- you seemed to be well informed on the process in North Carolina, and Chris, you seem to live in North Carolina, can either of you shed any light on the feasibility of financing a courthouse trustee sale purchase in NC specifically?

Rodney's statement of "I do need to bring 5% of bid amount to auction..." kind of indicates to me that he's talking about one of those Williams & Williams, REDC type of auctions, not a courthouse auction. Just my $ .02


Real Estate Investor · Holly Springs, North Carolina


Yes, it is feasible to finance a trustee sale. If he goes through with a courthouse purchase where he becomes the highest bidder, then he must provide a deposit at the time of the sale of 5% of the bid amount. This deposit will go to the trustee and he will get a completed report of sale and a receipt from the clerk filing the paperwork. The trustee will send him a demand letter and he must provide all outstanding funds within the time frame the trustee mandates. Generally you have a week or so from receipt of demand letter before they start getting impatient. My experience is that your closing attorney can get you more time if you need it, although best to have escrow already funded.

Many things can and do go wrong... like if the lender wants an appraisal, etc. But financing is feasible.


Real Estate Investor · Phoenix, Arizona


Although financing may be feasible, it does not sound very realistic because most lenders are going to require an inspection and appraisal and I doubt it can be reliably completed in the time allowed to pay the remaining 95%. If the OP wants to buy the house as an investment property, hard money funding may be more realistic and he can refinance it later through a conventional loan. Most HMLs (at least in AZ) require that the borrower agree not to occupy the property, so that could be a limitation if the OP wants to live in the house.




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