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Residential Real Estate Agent · Hattiesburg, Mississippi


I have two investors who started a development right before the bubble popped.

Rather than cutting their losses they decided to double down and finish the development.

They are now upside down big time. Been slogging away for 3 years and have only sold 4 lots...

I believe the total debt is about 2.2mil. The true value is probably half that.

Both the partners are veteran land developers, but the interest payments are taking a toll financially... We could literally mark down to cost and the lots still wouldn't move. Cost is about 10K per acre. They would move for 5-6 per acre. Big lots 3-12 acres.

How does one go about requesting a loan write down?

What variables are the banks looking at when deciding to write down or not? IE... Ability to repay, ability to liquidate, etc.

The bank knows this particular property is causing a serious hardship and could eventually lead to a full out default. At which point the bank would be responsible for selling lots and maintaining a subdivision.

This isn't something anyone wants to do, but its time to start looking at all options.


Real Estate Investor · Clifton , New Jersey


A alternative solution maybe to approach the bank mortgage department especially if it is a local bank and ask about buying the debt out at .10-.20 cents on a dollar. The bank benefits as they won't have to get their getting money out over a period of time and you benefit as you are able to get the lots cheaper. Now this is contingent if you have the capital to take out the banks debt in one lump sump.


Real Estate Investor · Wheat Ridge, Colorado


This is a loan modification. You would contract the lender and broach the subject.

Jon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


Commercial Real Estate Broker · Canton, Georgia


"Rather than cutting their losses they decided to double down and finish the development."

If their loan was non-recourse with no personal guarantee that was probably a bad mistake.

Do they have any other properties they own pledged as security for this land they are developing??

There is also the tax issues of the forgiven debt from the write down they would need to discuss with their CPA or tax attorney.

FIRST is to find out who is holding this loan (local,regional,national,etc.)

They will all look at it differently based on a ton of factors.You have to talk to the decision maker on the file and see where they are at with it.

I am sure the bank wants one thing in a perfect world and the sellers want another and you have to see if they can meet in the middle.

Small_allworldrealtyJoel Owens, All World Realty
Telephone: 678-779-2798
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www.GAcommercialbroker.com 678-779-2798 joelowens@comcast.net




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