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Forums » Private & Conventional Lending Discussion » Collateralized Hard Money Loan - Help Please!

Collateralized Hard Money Loan - Help Please!

10 posts by 4 users


· Bellingham, Washington

I'm new to the hard money lending business and have just done a few deals with a good friend. I know enough to be VERY dangerous, hence my outreach to my much more experienced peers.

A local builder in my area is looking for short term (12 month) financing to get a small housing project off the ground. They want to cash out 4-5 single family lots so they can use cash to build the first couple of homes and then keep their project going by their own cash after the first sale or two.

I don't feel comfortaable lending on just the dirt. It was mentioned that they could collateralize the loan with other real estate they own free and clear. This is way out of my league. Is this common and are there any traps I need to be aware of?

If it is a residential property that would be an easy re-sale, I'd be ok, but I could really use some guidance.

They are hoping for $200,000 and are willing to pay 10-12% and a few points, but I didn't go too far with it because I'd like to have a lot more information from other experienced people. The builder is well known and has completed many projects over the years, but did get caught up in the downturn and lost a lot of his capital. Apparently he has completed 4-5 hard money deals in the past 3 years and has a strong payment history.

Where do I start with this???

Developer · Orange County, California

@Tyler Byrnes We are actually builders that have used HML on many projects over the years. The question is, are you doing the land and the construction loans? Will they be buying all the lots at the same time, and doing one house at a time or ? Is it possible to buy one lot with option on the remaining and take out one at a time? How big are the houses they're building? What is the market like?

We use a voucher system, which is somewhat different than draws. You will want something set up to cover yourselves so that you don't pay out more than for what the work is coming up, and make sure there are progress inspections (even pictures work) so that you can make sure work is to where it should be. You can have them do up a schedule for you of what work is happening when, etc. making it easy for you to see that things are on track.

The point is I guess is make sure all your bases are covered.

Karen Margrave, Parlay Investments, 1st American Construction
E-Mail: [email protected]
Telephone: 949-933-3955
PARLAY: definition: to increase or otherwise transform into something of much greater value

Hard Money Lender · Tyngsboro, Massachusetts

There are plenty of good builders out there, and I'm sure Karen M. is one of them, so Karen, please don't take my comments as relating to you.

@Tyler Byrnes, lending on land for the building of spec homes is one of the riskiest loans you can make. If you collateralize only the land, you are usually under collateralized, because if you had to foreclose, unless you are in a hot area, the land will sell at auction for far less than the retail value.

Cross collaterallizing with additional properties adds a great deal of extra security.What it means is when the mortgage or deed of trust is prepared, it links to not only the land in question, but other properties. Therefore, if you have to foreclose to get your money back, you are foreclosing on the land AND the other property(ies).

An important point: If the second property already has a mortgage on it, your position for that property would be second. Therefore, if you foreclosed, you would be subject to the first mortgage. Meaning you, or whoever bought it at foreclosure auction, would have to pay off the first.

If you cross collateralize a property where you go into second position, the advantage is that a borrower is likely to work harder to prevent foreclosure on two properties than on one. Of course, if his financial world is crashing, it won't help. So consider what you agree to collateralize.

Your attorney would draw up the mortgage (deed of trust) documents, and would do a title search on both (or all three if you use more) properties. The borrower pays for your loan docs and the extra title search and title insurance at closing.

Also strongly recommend that you find an inspection company and have them do the inspections and approval of draws based on the construction budget the builder submits to you. (budget should be submitted to you before you decide to lend) If you can't find an inspection company on your own, a bank that does construction lending will know the local inspection companies. Try googling "construction inspection yourcity" or something like that.

In general, if you are a new lender, I would not recommend starting with a deal like this. I make some bad decisions when I first started, because you don't know what you don't know. If you are very comfortable with the cross-collateralized property, it will probably be fine, I'm not trying to scare you, but it's a fairly complex deal for a new lender to manage if something goes wrong. Just my 2cents

Small_small_logoAnn Bellamy, Buy Now, LLC
Telephone: 800-418-0081
Hard money lending in NH and MA, and for free networking in MA,

Developer · Orange County, California

@Ann Bellamy We have a few times offered other properties as cross collateral, just because the loans we were doing large (for the area) or had other issues that the lender wasn't familiar with. If a builder plans on finishing a project and is confident in their projections, etc., and owns other property, why not back it up?

However; I agree with you, for an inexperienced lender, without knowledge of the construction process, etc., a spec project isn't what you want to cut your teeth on. Too big of a learning curve.

Karen Margrave, Parlay Investments, 1st American Construction
E-Mail: [email protected]
Telephone: 949-933-3955
PARLAY: definition: to increase or otherwise transform into something of much greater value

· Bellingham, Washington

Thanks for the replies. We have decided that this is too risky to start off with. However, the builder also approached us about loaning on a development site he owns free and clear with a rental home. The house is on few acres and brings in $1400 per month. The property is zoned for a 70 unit apartment complex with plans being developed. It sold 12 months ago for $220,000 and the market is very stable here. My question now is what LTV would you generally use for this?

My gut says I'd loan no more than $100,000 and that would be with 2-3 pts and at a 10-12% rate with a 2 year balloon. I figure a fire sale in our current market would easily net $160,000-$175,000. Seems fairly safe to me, but I would appreciate input on if you set your LTV to market value or get out quick value?


Hard Money Lender · Tyngsboro, Massachusetts

From my perspective, this is much more doable than the previous scenario. If you are confident in the 160-175K number, then 100K is about 60% of 170K. That's a comfortable margin from the lender perspective, because you are likely to recover all your funds if you have to foreclose. We take 60% of ARV if it's a rehab deal, and that includes the construction funds, because the value of the property increases as we disburse funds. In this case there is no construction component, so we would use 60% of quick-sale, not 60% of retail or 60% of foreclosure sale price.

Although you didn't exactly ask, below are more considerations when determining your comfort level. Especially with a borrower you haven't done business with before. Bear in mind there are more costs to foreclosure than just the legal.

Here are a few things to know about and look into:
1. Public notices when you are foreclosing run 400-700 each in my area, and you have to do three of them.
2. Auctioneer costs if someone besides the lender takes the property at foreclosure auction. Check with your local auctioneer to understand his fee structure. For us, it's 3% of selling price if someone besides the lender purchases at auction.
3. Auctioneer advertising costs
4. If you start foreclosure, it's likely that the borrower won't be paying property taxes. They will accrue while you get to the auction. And become the responsibility of the successful bidder at auction, which is you if no one bids.
5. Insurance: Same thing. If the borrower stops paying insurance, you will need to force place insurance on the property or continue paying the premiums for the borrower's policy. Forced place insurance is expensive.
6. If the borrower declares bankruptcy, it holds up the whole process, while your legal, tax and insurance costs continue to mount. You may also have to re-advertise because of the delay
7. then there are unknown variables such as municipal requirements, tenant complaints, tenant damage to unit, vandalism of an empty building, freeze damage, the list goes on and on.

Welcome to the lending world, which is not quite as simple and automatically profitable as most people think.

Small_small_logoAnn Bellamy, Buy Now, LLC
Telephone: 800-418-0081
Hard money lending in NH and MA, and for free networking in MA,

· Bellingham, Washington


Thanks for the great information. I am much more comfortable with this property. I didn't think about making sure that insurance is maintained, which would be critical, so thanks for that tip!

I believe the builder would actually just take whatever amount we loan on thie house and use the money on building out the lots. Should that even matter if our loan is properly collateralized?

What is the best way to ensure that there would be no other loans against the property he wants to use? A title search would show anything recorded against the property, but not any non-recorded loans. Do we just make sure we record a first position to essentially make a first claim against the property if things go south? Would a non recorded lien holder have any rights?

Wow, lots of questions. Sorry.

Hard Money Lender · Tyngsboro, Massachusetts

"Position" ie, first, second, etc, is determined by date recorded, and secondarily, by any subordination agreements.

So a non-recorded loan, by definition, has no lien position. Your title company will determine anything recorded right up until the date that your mortgage/deed of trust is recorded, and make sure your instructions to them, and loan commitment to borrower, specify that this is to be a first position mortgage/dot.

If you are comfortable with the collateral, it will only matter that he is using the proceeds for a business (non-personal or household) purpose. Of course, his other projects speaks to his cash flow and cash reserves, so that may matter in the big picture, but may not matter to you. Depends on your comfort level. Of course to be more secure, you could cross-collateralize the lots with partial releases.

You should be discussing the pros and cons of these strategies and the legalities with a good attorney in your area very familiar with private lending. Not just a real estate attorney who does residential closings.

Small_small_logoAnn Bellamy, Buy Now, LLC
Telephone: 800-418-0081
Hard money lending in NH and MA, and for free networking in MA,

Real Estate Investor · Springfield, Missouri

Good stuff from Ann.

Tyler, I suggest you get with a title company, most do construction disbursements and have an inspector. The insdpection is not to compliance with codeds so much as X dollars worth of material being on site and advance based on completion. Best way to do it!

Financexaminer@real estate investor dot com

· Bellingham, Washington

Thanks again for the replies. I will work on tracking down a good attorney like you suggest.


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