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Real Estate Investor · Maryland


Hi All,

With so many houses on the market, I think there is a great opportunity in assisting homeowners in how to provide seller financing. Is there anyone here that has help a potential client position themselves to offer owner financing? I would like to complete a "how to" and "why seller financing works" manual and am looking for your feedback.

Thanks and God Bless,

Tyra


Real Estate Investor · Texas


Great thinking! You have the right concept for something that sells homes fast in this economy. To avoid taking up a lot of space here with the details


Real Estate Investor · Maryland


Thanks Kathy. I'll check out the site!!!


Real Estate Investor · Denver, Colorado


Feel free to take all the space you need to explain here. Please do not post solicitation in this forum.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


Real Estate Investor · Gainesville, FL


I think it's a good idea. A lot of people really have no idea about how easy it is to hold a note. Some think they will still get calls when the toilet is leaking.

I think the major hurdle you are going to run into is that most people have a mortgage on their property which will eliminate them from fully owner-financing it upon sale. If they own it outright, they might just be smart enough to understand it.

Might be a good idea to work on something describing how to hold a second and what their "out" would be if they wanted to cash out of it 3 years down the road. Seems like the number of homeowners that could benefit from you would be larger.


Real Estate Investor · Maryland


Good Idea Jason. Thanks for the feedback. I recall an investor whose strategy was to find homeowners who own their properties outright. There is so many opportunities with this type of situation.

God Bless,

Tyra


Real Estate Investor · Gainesville, FL


Yeah, there was a guy on here that was mentioning he purchased a free/clear list that had the name of everyone who owned their property outright.

Could be a good idea to look into that. Good luck.


Real Estate Investor · Maryland


Hi Jason,

Do you recall anything more about the post? I would like to chat with him.

Thanks & God Bless,

Tyra


Note Investor · Kalamazoo, Michigan


The property does not have to be paid off to use owner financing. Just use a wraparond note and make sure that you get a big enough down payment that the buyer is invested into the property. The "out" could be a balloon payment due in 5 yrs. or so or the note holder could always sell the note for a lump sum of cash!


Real Estate Investor · Maryland


Thanks for the reply Marc.


Real Estate Investor · New York


I have purchased a free and clear list before. You can buy from listsource or melissa data. I hand addressed all envelopes, and put a letter inside that was signed and included my business card. I sent out 90 letter and had 15 people respond. I bought a property from one person who responded and he held the note for 15 years at 8%. Ended up making some great contacts also. I think the list cost about 65$, but it is all based upon how many peoples contact info your buying.
Good Luck


Note Investor · Kalamazoo, Michigan


What you have to make sure of is that there is enough room in the wraparound note that you can sell it at a discount and stil payoff the underlying firts position mortgage note. Now the wraparound note is in first position for the note buyer!


Real Estate Investor · Kalispell, Montana


Originally posted by Marc Faulkner
What you have to make sure of is that there is enough room in the wraparound note that you can sell it at a discount and stil payoff the underlying firts position mortgage note. Now the wraparound note is in first position for the note buyer!

Marc,
Do you use a clause in the "wrap" saying the underlying not will be paid in full at closing on the sale of the wrap. I assume this would make it marketable as a fist position note.
Or are those terms stipulated by the note buyer in his offer to buy the note?

Real Estate Investor · Springfield, Missouri


Hi, Tyra, I really had to wonder what your "booklet" was about and who it was for. I hope you will take this as advice.
If you are handing information out to people you will be dealing with and they rely on such information you are taking on a great deal of liabilty. There are several issues here.
First, if you don't advise them of a matter that perhaps should have been addressed and their deal goes sour, then what? You could very easily be held liable for any ommission or advice you give. Putting it in writing, for you, is something you should really think about, in fact, I'd suggest you not do it!
Is it a good idea? Sure it is, but the fact that you are on this site asking for input and advice really reflects on your personal qualifications and expertise in the matter.
If someone does not absolutley know EVERY aspect of seller financing and ALL the legal, financial, economic and risk assessments involved with such a transactions, they really need to deal in such matters on their own behalf, by that I mean explain what they see as an advantage to the party they are dealing with and market their position, but under NO circumstances should they appear to be providing legal or lending advice.
All of the information necessary to capture all of the variables and issues in seller financing would easily be volumes, not a "booklet".
If your idea is something similar to a "Landlord & Tenant Relations & State Law" type pamphlet as distributed by a Bar Association or HUD for example, that is a great idea, and one is needed on Seller Financing, but it needs to be done by a Bar Assoiciation, HUD, perhaps an association that has expertise in the subject. When an individual does such things, it's a different matter. It also depends on how material is presented. Ask your attorney. If, on the other hand it comes across as IMO and look what I did, and this is how we did it, you know, like a guru does, then it's not as advisory or instructional. It,s not going to be much good if you put twenty pages together and then have a page of disclaimers attempting to avoid any responsibilty for them taking action on what they just read. Investors will buy that from gurus, but a homeowner might have a different view. I have given seminars to Realtors and attorneys on this topic and when you take the position as being an expert and providing advice, you also accept the liability and responsibilty of being an expert.
There is another forum addressing seller financing here on BP, and I just had to advise someone of the pitfalls in dealing with someone in a nursing home or an elderly person, would that have been in you booklet?
I hope you take this in good spirits, I'm not questioning your intentions, but having to seek advice here speaks volumes. So, before you go boldly where no man has gone before, give this some thought.

I'm sure that when some people see my forum posts they must think I'm only here to rain on someone's parade, that's not my intent, I don't like doing that, but if something is missed I think all of old hands have an obligation to the community to point out potential issues. Hope you see it that way too! Bill


Real Estate Investor · Maryland


Hi Bill,

Thanks for your advice. The "booklet" and/or document would be an introduction to Seller Financing. My goal is to create a document with basic facets of seller financing. All in all, this for me means that everything would be done legally and professionally. My point in asking in the forum is because I'm not claiming to be an expert, but rather want to find experts that are interested in really assisting homeowners with this option that is not frequently (compared to traditional sales) mentioned. It would be great to use a document that is already created and stamped by attorneys, etc. I am looking for experts across the country who have systems and people set up to smoothly complete a seller financed deal.
No hard feelings. I understand you're trying to help.


Real Estate Investor · Springfield, Missouri


Hi, thanks for clearing that up, In that case, I'd be happy to assist you. Just PM me. Bill


Real Estate Investor · Audubon, Pennsylvania


This thread discusses a free seller financing book that you can request electronically (you'll have to google search some of the wording in the thread to get to a working link - forum rules removed the link that had been there):
http://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/64/topics/123-free-seller-financing-book-is-a-must-


Real Estate Investor · Springfield, Missouri


Hi, I'm in chat if anyone wants to discuss it


Real Estate Investor · Maryland


Hi Bill,

Thanks for your willingness to discuss. I'll PM you.


Real Estate Investor · Springfield, Missouri


Hi, I'll be in the chat room in ten minutes to check and at 5:00 EST, 4:00 CST etc. Seller financing, there is a misconception among most as to what the due on sale caluse is all about and how it is used. to lengthy to describe here. Warps, CFD, L/O Financed Options and assumptions. Oh,no role playing! LOL Later, Bill


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