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Real Estate Investor · New Jersey


So what type of people do you usually end up with in your rentals? What are their professions/jobs? I'm trying to gain some perspective on the types of people that make good tenants(I know working class/steady jobs). It just seems that where I'm from(NJ), in the rental markets I've driven around, it seems very lower end. It doesn't seem like the type of place with reliable tenants.


Rehabber · Fort Wayne, Indiana


Mike,
I think the type and quality of renters is region and specific location dependant. For instance, the midwest has generally lower housing prices which makes the possiblity for a profitable rental business. Within Fort Wayne, You can spend between 15K to 150K for a rental house. The 15K house will rent for $450-$550 while the 150K house will rent for 1k-1.2K. While you will are more likely to get a more reliable tenant for your 150K house, you will be lucky to break even. The profit margins work best for the lower end homes in my experience but you do have more tenant issues. (That is why I find my property manager to be worth every penny that we pay them.)
We do not have any "warzones" in Fort Wayne but most tenants at the low income scale are living paycheck to paycheck and are usually one life event away from not being able to make their rent payment. With that said, they need a place to live as well and many of them are reliable long term renters.
Good luck. If you do not find the right numbers in NJ, there might be some other areas that will make the numbers work out better.


Real Estate Investor · Ohio


Very good post by Chris!


Real Estate Investor · Middletown, New Jersey


Mike, where are you in NJ? I invest in Trenton. I only have 2 rentals right now, and both tenants receive rental assistance. One is Section 8 and the other is Social Services (although they just cut him off, but that's another thread :)

My rentals aren't in war zones, but they're in low/no income areas.


Real Estate Investor · New Jersey


Sorry to take so long to get back to my own thread!

Aly,
I'm from central jersey(Monmouth County). What exactly constitutes a "war zone"? According to city-data.com, Trenton's crime index is a 590 compared to the national average of 320.Thanks for taking the time to respond to my thread.


Real Estate Investor · New Jersey


MikeOh,

I've read alot of your posts as well as your blog and I want to thank you for all the information you give out daily. It's a great help to newbies like myself. I noticed from your blog that you go and pick up the rent checks from your tennants in person. When I rented in college my landlord set up a bank account that we deposited the rent into ourselves, which made it easier for him as there was no hassle to go from house to house. Is there any reason you do not do this? Thanks again for your contribution to the boards.


Real Estate Investor · Middletown, New Jersey


Hi Mike,

I'm in Monmouth County too. My rentals are in Trenton neighborhoods that I wouldn't want to live in, but I'm not afraid to go to. A war zone would be bullets flying or a probability of getting mugged or something.


Real Estate Investor · Ohio


When I rented in college my landlord set up a bank account that we deposited the rent into ourselves, which made it easier for him as there was no hassle to go from house to house. Is there any reason you do not do this?

Yes, I can think of many reasons not to do that, especially if you have low income rentals.

First, many low income tenants don't have transportation. If you make it hard for them to get the rent to you, you'll have a lesser chance of getting it.

Second, I like talking to each tenant and seeing all my rentals at least once a month. Just having that momentary contact and seeing that property for a short period of time will often clue you in to problems that are developing.

Third, if the tenant has your bank account number, they might steal your money. It's not very likely, but it could happen.

Fourth, many low income tenants will spend their money as soon as their government check arrives. If they can't get you to come get it immediately, it might be gone tomorrow.

I'm sure that I could think of more reasons, but it's too late to tax the brain cells too much.

Mike


Real Estate Investor · sioux falls, South Dakota


In response to the original question, I'm at the other end of the spectrum with rentals in So. TX. My rents range from a low of $695 to a high of $1600. The majority are right at $1000. I have 12 at that rate. They consist of teachers, nurses(lots!), business people, and oil workers & truckers.
I do not collect the rent and they do deposit into an account. It shows up instantly which really is nice. In my application, to rent, I grab them by the short _____!. I have their work address, phone, bank AND acct #, SS#, next of kin,DL as well as car license and allowance to pull a credit and criminal report on them at any time. My late fees are exorbitant and it keeps me from getting "professional" renters. I've not dealt with section 8, and I stay away from the low income renters. I don't want the ones that don't have reserves if things go bad. I also collect a significant sec deposit. Different strokes for different folks. Rich


Real Estate Investor · New Jersey


Aly,

Have you ever looked into New Brunswick or Perth Amboy?


Real Estate Investor · Middletown, New Jersey


Hi Mike,

I haven't, no. I can check out the prices. Generally, you can get a 3BR/1.5BA SFR rowhouse in Trenton for about $45K, maybe a few thousand in repairs, and get $900 in rent. The market has softened though.

What's going on in Perth Amboy? It's just over the bridge from me.


Real Estate Investor · New Jersey


Originally posted by Aly L
Hi Mike,

I haven't, no. I can check out the prices. Generally, you can get a 3BR/1.5BA SFR rowhouse in Trenton for about $45K, maybe a few thousand in repairs, and get $900 in rent. The market has softened though.

What's going on in Perth Amboy? It's just over the bridge from me.


It's close to me too. I don't really know much about the area itself or the rental market. I know you can't go off of what is listed on sites like realtor.com, but it seems like there could be some potential. There is a house listed at 99k that rents for $2,100 a month. I know that these numbers need to be looked into for accuracy but do you think they deserve a closer look? It also has a crime index of 240 which is considerably lower than the national average of 320, according to city-data.com.

Real Estate Investor · Middletown, New Jersey


I'll do some checking on the MLS, and maybe craigslist. Never hurts to look. I know the area around the hospital isn't bad, good for medical residents, but I'm sure those prices are higher too.

"There is a house listed at 99k that rents for $2,100 a month."

Sounds too good to be true, but I guess it's possible. I'd want to see leases and the condition of the house. It might be rented to 10 people and be in deplorable shape. Do you plan to take a look?


Real Estate Consultant · Metro Detroit, Michigan


I would imagine that you have renters that are gainfully employed. You might want to consider having their rent automatically deposited out of their check. This will assure that you will get your money and tenant does not have to worry about putting the check "in the mail"


Real Estate Investor · New Jersey


Originally posted by Aly L
I'll do some checking on the MLS, and maybe craigslist. Never hurts to look. I know the area around the hospital isn't bad, good for medical residents, but I'm sure those prices are higher too.

"There is a house listed at 99k that rents for $2,100 a month."

Sounds too good to be true, but I guess it's possible. I'd want to see leases and the condition of the house. It might be rented to 10 people and be in deplorable shape. Do you plan to take a look?


Oh im sure the numbers are inflated to look better being that it's listed on the MLS. I'm not really at the stage to buy anything yet. I'm still in college and low on funds. All I'm really doing now is research. I'm trying to find possible markets to follow and learn them well.

Most cities around here aren't even close when it comes to the evaluation methods quoted on this site(50%,2%), so I'm just trying to bounce ideas off of other members who are more knowledgeable than I, so I can narrow my search to potential markets.


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