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· Kansas City, Kansas


I'm to the point that I'm not sure what to do so I hope some of the more seasoned Landlords can help me with this. Not that it makes a big difference but this is a lower income rental house.

I have a tenant that has complained from day 1. In the very first week she complained that there was a "rotten egg smell" coming from the ductwork. I checked it out but could not smell anything out of the ordinary. The house had been vacant for a few weeks so I told her that after a few days of running the AC the smell would probably go away. A week or two later she calls again. This time she says it's the refrigerator that smells. I go check it out. This time I take my wife. We couldn't smell anything "fowl" or "rotten" as she described. As I was looking under the refrig to see if something was in the drip pan I got shocked when I touched the coil. Obviously there was a ground fault in the refrigerator so I replaced it. Everything was fine for a few weeks. Then she calls again. The smell is gone but the house had been broken in to. One of the windows was broken and they stole some jewelry and vandalized her furniture. I call the window guy and get it fixed. She tells us she doesn't feel safe living there. I tell her there's nothing I can do about that. Again were good for another week or so. Then she calls and the AC isn't working. I go check it out. All of the sudden the AC is low on freon (it's worked great for the year and a half I have owned the property). I call the my AC guy. He comes over and checks it out. The unit is old so we decide to replace it as it's part of my investment. Now, were good again, for a week or so. Today she calls, this time the toilet is plugged up, the smell is back and she had to take her daughter to the ER because of an asthma attack. She claims there is mold in the basement. Once again, I go check it out. There is no fowl smell. The basement is bone dry (it does get some water during heavy downpours but today it was dry as can be). There is no mold and no possible way there could be mold because the only wall that isn't concrete is built on top of a 4" concrete curb and can't get wet unless we get a major flood, which we didn't. We took pictures of everything (the tenant wasn't there). I go upstairs to fix the toilet. There is a plunger, the lid to the toilet tank and a snake sitting in the hallway. It almost seemed staged. Sure enough the toilet was plugged up. I used the plunger and had it cleared in 5 seconds. We flushed the toilet 3 or 4 times while we video taped it. It was working fine. We go home. We call her to tell her that we fixed the toilet and scheduled an appointment with a foundation contractor to take a look at the water seepage problem. She's home from work now. She says the toilet is still plugged and is still overflowing. I've had about enough if this crap. I think all of these "problems" are bogus. I think she is intentionally plugging the toilet, I think she intentionally let the freon out of my AC. I think the smell is something she is making up. I don't know what her problem is but I'm not sure what to do here. We are almost 3 months in to a 1 year lease. I think I'd be better off with this %^&$#! lady gone but right now is not a good time to find tenants as school has just started. What do you all think?

PS - One more thing. We got a notice from the city because some bushes in the backyard are "overgrown" and need to be trimmed. Hummm. I wonder who called?


Wholesaler · Memphis, Tennessee


Here is my take:

Why did you buy something so cheap? When you have renters like this you are asking for trouble. It can only be bad news. All the claims they are making are bogus. There are always going to be some issues but yours are extreme.

I can almost picture your renter in my mind. I am not going to describe this person but but I know, trust me.

Here is what you need to do. Get them out of the house. It would be best for you to give this person $200 to get out now so you can clean the inside and move someone else in. You should also seriously consider selling this house. You will continue to have nothing but problems.

Next time buy a nicer house. The cheapest ones are not always the best.

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Real Estate Investor · Indiana, Indiana


Take Curt's recommendations with the realization that his business is selling you his houses. High maintenance people are at every economic level.

Your problem is not your buying. Your problem is your management. You're at the tenant's beck and call. My lease puts my tenants in charge of stupid things like plugging the toilet and trimming bushes. If I have to do it, per the lease it's billable time. Will I always collect? No, but it makes the point that I'm not the tenant's gofer boy. Get with an attorney that specializes in leases and find out how you can beef up your lease. As to this lady now, if you can get her out fine but make sure you beef up that lease or you'll only repeat the problem. If not you need to make it clear you're not taking any more b.s. or put it in the hands of professional management.


Real Estate Investor · North Carolina


As Tim says, BEEF UP your lease. That way you have multiple reasons for eviction for various breaches.

With my low-income tenants I only do 6-month leases which convert to m-t-m. That limits the pain should I get a tenant like yours who actually follows the lease to the letter (ha ha, that'll be the day).

Good luck and keep us posted on the situation. We've all been there.


Real Estate Investor


I'm in Tim's camp on this one, but I wouldn't throw out the baby with the bath water just yet. There is a silver lining here, and that is she is reporting some legit items like the AC and fridge, she's just gone too far and you both need an education in who's responsible for what. That's better than the tenant that doesn't report the roof leak until the ceiling falls in!

She needs to know you're not at her beck and call. Renting and old house comes at a price, and she's not paying for and should not expect to treat the landlord as a free "rent a husband," only for legit landlord needed repairs. I would take every one of her complaints to date, and review each one with her. Thank her for letting you know about the fridge and AC. The toilet should be charged for. The bushes should be charged for, and wasted trips to check out bogus claims should be charged for. Explain that the broken window and other damage from the break in is not your responsibility, and if she wants to get renters insurance, that is her choice. She needs to understand that wasting your time costs her money. At the same time, she does need to report problems that you should address.

Seems neither of you have a clear understanding of which is which.

If such language is not in the lease, check with the local housing authority. You may find some good landlord-tenant guidelines, or even something on how the courts interpret landlord - tenant responsibilities. Share these with her, and explain that just because they aren't spelled out in the lease, they still apply.

My take is that you may have a diamond in the rough. So many low income tenants are afraid they'll get charged, or that the LL will require discover something they did do, that they don't report problems and additional damage results. I think you have an opportunity, through education, to save this one. Considering the cost of a vacancy, it's worth a try. She could also be just a little whacko, however, and you'll have to make that call.


Real Estate Investor · Ohio


I certainly agree with the others about fixing your lease. Part of this problem is self-inflicted!

I NEVER do anything longer than month-to-month leases for low income tenants. There is ABSOLUTELY NO ADVANTAGE to doing so. With a low-income tenant, you can't enforce the lease by suing them because you can't collect and the vast majority have terrible credit so the threat of a ding on their credit is worthless. Although you can't enforce the lease on them, THEY CAN ENFORCE THE LEASE ON YOU! NEVER give a low income tenant a lease longer than one month!

Break-ins in low income rentals are almost ALWAYS done by someone your tenant knows! My lease makes the tenant responsible for ALL BROKEN GLASS - regardless of who broke it.

Some people are just FREAKS! When they start complaining about mold (always that deadly BLACK MOLD), strange smells, and other things that aren't there, that's a pretty good sign that you've got a NUT on your hands! It sounds to me like she wants to leave and I would encourage that!!!

It is ALWAYS better to have a vacant rental than one occupied by a FREAK!

Finally, low income houses make excellent rentals - if you want to make money, that is!!! Freaks are not limited to low income rentals. I would not sell your rental and buy a higher priced rental that won't cash flow.

Mike


Real Estate Investor · Middletown, New Jersey


I'm with the majority on this one. My lease was written by my attorney, their standard boilerplate, which covers all the bases legally. I have my tenants sign each page at the bottom so they can't say they didn't see that particular page/item.

I also have a tenant that complains. She is on Section 8 and her sense of entitlement and belligerence grew with each repair I made. I finally spoke to her caseworker, and we told the tenant she was free to leave within 30 days and she can take her Section 8 voucher with her. That shut her up for months. Yes, she eventually found something else to complain about, but she got the same response from me - you don't like it, you're free to leave. Thankfully she's not destructive.

Freaks and deadbeats are at all levels of rentals. A friend of mine rented her house to a doctor and his family for $2500 a month, and they destroyed the place and stopped paying rent.


Real Estate Investor · Indiana, Indiana


Originally posted by Aly L
Freaks and deadbeats are at all levels of rentals. A friend of mine rented her house to a doctor and his family for $2500 a month, and they destroyed the place and stopped paying rent.


That's too bad but worth paying attention to. Another thing is when a $500 a month tenant does damage, I do repairs with the cheapest replacements from ReStore or the Menards clearance rack. Can't get away with that with a $2500 a month property. You have to do $2500 a month finishes.

Real Estate Investor · Middletown, New Jersey


She had to rent it out the last year she owned it, not quite by choice. But jerk tenants come in all income levels.


Rehabber · Chandler, Arizona


My lease puts my tenants in charge of stupid things like plugging the toilet and trimming bushes. If I have to do it, per the lease it's billable time. Will I always collect? No, but it makes the point that I'm not the tenant's gofer boy.


I did this exact thing. The first two years of lease I was at my tenants beck and call. Every month was something different. When they wanted to renew, I put a in a clause that says "All repairs under $50 are tenants responsiblity" or something like that and I've only received one call in the last year. When they do call, I remind them of this and they usually take care of the repair.

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Real Estate Investor · Baltimore, Maryland


Everyone of these posts are fantastic.

I would add that more stringent screening at the begining of the tenant selection procress might have shown some light on who this tenant really is.

Also, I would recommend that the tenant be asked to do a formal walk-through to inspect the unit and have them record the results in their own writing as a record of the condition of the property when they moved in. This would have helped to address the oder, AC and basement issues... and it provides great baseline when it comes time for them to move... as it is hard for a tenant to claim the unit had a pre-existing condition when they didn't find and note it upon move in.

Pete


Real Estate Investor · Middletown, New Jersey


Originally posted by Justin S.

I did this exact thing. The first two years of lease I was at my tenants beck and call. Every month was something different. When they wanted to renew, I put a in a clause that says "All repairs under $50 are tenants responsiblity" or something like that and I've only received one call in the last year. When they do call, I remind them of this and they usually take care of the repair.


Justin, I would be concerned that the tenant would make sure there was more than $50 in repairs. As in, a cracked window may be under $50, so would they break the entire window to get you to pay for it?

I'm evicting a tenant right now, so maybe I'm a bit paranoid :wink:


Residential Real Estate Broker · Milwaukee, Wisconsin


Originally posted by Aly L
Originally posted by Justin S.

I did this exact thing. The first two years of lease I was at my tenants beck and call. Every month was something different. When they wanted to renew, I put a in a clause that says "All repairs under $50 are tenants responsiblity" or something like that and I've only received one call in the last year. When they do call, I remind them of this and they usually take care of the repair.


Justin, I would be concerned that the tenant would make sure there was more than $50 in repairs. As in, a cracked window may be under $50, so would they break the entire window to get you to pay for it?

I'm evicting a tenant right now, so maybe I'm a bit paranoid :wink:


A valid fear! Why not modify that to state that the tenant is responsible for the first $50.00 of each repair? In other words, set it up like an insurance deductible.

While the tenant could still cause more damage "to stick it to the man," they're still on the hook for their $50.00. While it wouldn't end maintenance calls, it'd definitely cut down on them.

Mike


Real Estate Investor · Middletown, New Jersey


That sounds like a great idea Mike. I'm going to update my lease with that clause.


Real Estate Investor


A valid fear! Why not modify that to state that the tenant is responsible for the first $50.00 of each repair? In other words, set it up like an insurance deductible.

While the tenant could still cause more damage "to stick it to the man," they're still on the hook for their $50.00. While it wouldn't end maintenance calls, it'd definitely cut down on them.

You're going to personally "insure" your tenant damages, limiting their liability to $50, and put that in your lease?

Please say I'm not reading that right.

I tell tenants they cannot make repairs without my approval, and anything other than normal wear and tear is on their dime, regardless of the cost or who makes the repair. There are occasions where the owner is responsible (roof leak, furnace failure, etc), but tenant caused damage is tenant paid damage.


Real Estate Investor · Ohio


I agree with Ralph! Moreover, the tenant-landlord in many states require the owner to maintain the property to a certain standard. Requiring the tenant to pay part or all of the maintenance can violate that law.

Mike


Real Estate Investor · Middletown, New Jersey


I know that when I reminded my tenant that pest control/extermination was at her own expense per the lease, she stopped complaining about it. Section 8 backed me up.

Ralph, how do you enforce getting your approval before they make repairs? One they've done it, and you find out later, then what? Do you bill them? Make them undo the repair? Evict when they won't pay? My tenants cry poverty while sitting in front of their 58" widescreen TVs. I'm evicting a tenant right now for non-payment of rent, and he has done (and not done) quite a few things.


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It's less about getting paid (haven't ever, except on very small $$) and more about making sure they don't screw things up or make things worse. If it's replacing a broken toilet seat, that's one thing, and about the only thing I can think of that I would let a tenant fix. Tenant repairs are notoriously poor and mickey mouse. They just don't have the knowledge, skills, tools, and their motivation is simply to save money. More often, they try to cover it up.

The best defense is a good offense, and in this case, it is education for both the LL and tenant. This thread is about how to deal with the tenant who wants too much, and how a LL needs to lay down the law, litterally, and this happens in the beginnning with the lease/rental agreement and a clear understanding of who is responsible for what. There are so many LL's out there, just like the OP, who have tenants that expect so much that tenants come to expect it from every LL.

During my tenant interview, I have two "fear of Landlord" discussions. In a non-threatening, matter of fact, for both our benefit way, of course. One on the importance of paying the rent on time, the other for causing damage or not reporting problems. I clearly explain my expectations, and the consequences, as we go over the lease. On those occasions where they flee after the discussion, I know I've dodged a bullet, and am glad they go away.

In my damage discussion, I explain that they are my eyes and ears in the unit, and they are required to notify me immediately of anything wrong, especially if it concerns electricity, HVAC or water. If a vacuum or window AC keeps triping the circuit breaker, or if there is a leak under the sink, I need to know, and they need to tell me right away. Every time I talk to them, I ask about the unit and if everything is working OK. It's really a benefit for both. They get a place to live where things work, and I avoid unnecessary damages and keep my units up. If they have a little fear of causing damage and having to pay for it, and are more careful, that's good too. Good tenants understand, and those who don't, do you really want them?

The LL-Tenant laws and courts have clearly defined who is responsible for what. It's just a matter of making sure the tenant (and LL) understand and abide.

On the lighter side, there is a thread right now on the "Landlords Master Toolbox." You know what the "Tenants Tool Kit" is? Duct Tape, WD-40 and SuperGlue.
If it moves and it isn't supposed to; Duct Tape. If it doesn't move and is supposed to; WD-40. If it's broken in pieces; SuperGlue. :D

My worst experiences?
I got a call about lights in two bedrooms that didn't work. Tenant had installed a window AC in each room and the circuit breaker kept tripping, and they just kept resetting the breaker. After opening up just about every switch, outlet and ceiling light in both rooms, I found melted and charred wires and wire nuts in the electrical box above one of the ceiling lights.
Another tenant, in a four unit, calls and says "we've been hearing the sound of water running for three days." An old water valve with a pressure release had failed in the basement. I had stored several couches, chairs and beds left by previous tenants right under this valve.
In the same four unit, a $5 thermocouple failed on a furnace pilot light, turning off the pilot light and keeping the furnace from starting. It was around 10 pm, and the tenant's grown son who was living with her, decided rather than to call me, he'd open up the furnace "to clean it," and caused a gas leak. Another tenant calls the utility to report the smell of natural gas. By the time they called me and I raced over (after midnight), the utility and fire department were already there. That one pegged the needle on the fun meter.
A tenant calls to give notice, I ask why, she says the ceiling in the mud room caved in, from the roof leak. She didn't report it cause she thought she'd have to pay for it, but the musty smell had gotten too bad, so she just had to move.
Education is a wonderful thing.


Real Estate Investor · Middletown, New Jersey


Thanks Ralph, I loved your post! As a landlord of only 1 year, 2 properties, and 1 eviction, I'm learning a lot.

Your stories ring true and painful. Today I discovered why my evicted tenant had a $620 water bill (that of course he's not paying). The downstairs toilet has apparently been running for the 5 months he was in there. He never called me about it. After he had been in the house 2 weeks, I called him to ask how things were. He said fine, that he was a handy guy and that he would try never to bother me. I thought I'd hit the tenant jackpot. I didn't hear from him for 5 months until Social Services stopped paying his rent and I began the eviction process.

Well, he was true to his word. He didn't bother me about the running toilet, and he didn't bother me when he installed his window air conditioner off balance, causing the water to leak into the window frame, which went unnoticed by me when I checked the house because he had a big piece of furniture under the window.

The tenant weighed 400 pounds, and cracked the floor tiles in the upstairs bathroom, which he didn't bother me about either. When he apparently broke the track on the shower door and couldn't close it, he didn't bother me. He also didn't bother to wipe the water off the bathroom floor when he showered, which leaked through the broken tiles into the downstairs bathroom.

I had pretty much the same discussions with him when he moved in - who was responsible for what, damage, call me with problems, etc.

Your tenant's toolkit is hilarious by the way :D and your stories are painful, but entertaining to read.


Real Estate Investor · Audubon, Pennsylvania


Originally posted by Tim Wieneke
...
My lease puts my tenants in charge of stupid things like plugging the toilet and trimming bushes. ...


Tim,
Tenants are ALWAYS the ones "plugging the toilet" with odds and ends they drop in :lol:

Funny how one letter changed in a word completely inverts the meaning ...

Obviously you meant to say "plunging" from the original context, but just couldn't resist this.


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