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Real Estate Investor · Cincinnati, Ohio


Do you allow smoking in middle to low income areas? I have completely rehabbed a property and would like to find solid non smoking tenants but will that seriously deter renters? Its a two unit, with 1 unit per floor. If the lower level unit smokes and the sencond floor doesnt, the smell will cause issues? What are your thoughts?



I don't allow smoking in middle income area apts. Doesn't make a difference I don't think.


Real Estate Investor · Lakeview, New York


I highly doubt the smell from the lower will seep into the upper.

I think your cutting your potential renters by 30%. If the tenant moves out, you generally have to paint, clean, and shampoo carpets anyway which will alleviate most if not all of the smell. It's your option if you want to leave a unit unrented while waiting for the perfect one. IMHO there are no perfect tenants.

BTW, my mother smokes and lives in the lower of my duplex. The upper does not smell at all.


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I don't rent to smokers. They have the potential to do too much expensive damage. It might be different if they'd rent a smoking unit, but they are too good to live with the stink and burns from the previous tenant.

Of course, smokers lie, so I still get the occassional smoker, but my contract specifically says that the tenants will pay for any smoke or burn damage from cigarettes, candles, incense, or any other flame or burning, up to and including full cost of replacing the carpets and re-painting the interior.

At least when the tenants lie and sneak smoking, they are more careful, because they know I will kick them out if i catch them.


Real Estate Investor · Phoenix, Arizona


Do you guys think insurance costs may go down if the apartment complex is officially non-smoking?

Also, I would be willing to pay extra to live in a non-smoking building. But I am not sure that I am the "typical" tenant.

Vikram


Real Estate Investor · Ohio


Not sure if insurance would be affected but it sure would reduce your risk. I'm sorry, but trying to cover up the smell of smoke is very difficult. In the long run, better to have non-smoking tenants and I wouldn't allow it.


Real Estate Investor · Lakeview, New York


I disagree completely. My last tenant smoked, and the current tenant doesn't. You could never tell the last tenant smoked. I go there every month to collect rent. Cleaning, painting, and shampooing generally takes care of it. But everyone has their own preference. I want my apartment rented smoker or not. If you have a waiting list to rent your apartment, then be more choosy. Otherwise, smokers do not mean irresponsible tenants.

My rental agreement states everything needed as far as burns in the carpet etc...If they burn it, they pay for it, AND they know it.



As a non-smoker I can always tell whether a house has been smoked in. You can't get that smell out IMHO.


Real Estate Investor · Ohio


The lower class smokes! It's as simple as that! If you don't allow smoking in a typical lower class or blue collar rental, you will have a much smaller pool of tenants from which to choose. Moreover, people will likely still smoke in your rental - either the tenants or their friends. Whatever sanctions your lease calls for in the event the tenant smokes is a JOKE in typical rentals. What are you going to do - sue a lower class or blue-collar tenant? Good luck with that!

I'd just let the tenants smoke and keep your rentals filled.

Good Luck,

Mike


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Keep in mind that a pack of cigarettes is $5. 2-3 packs a day, and a tenant might be spending $300+ a month on ciggies. Get two smokers in the family and that's over $600 a month.

You'd better believe they will feed their addiction before they pay the rent. So if you are accepting smokers make sure they have enough income to buy their cigarettes AND pay the rent.


Real Estate Investor · Lakeview, New York


Voted you up Mike. I couldn't agree more.

It's the non-smokers who are basically voicing their opinions because they don't like smoking, and that's fine. But as far as a smart business decision, it far from that. Keeping it rented is the smart business decision, smoker or not.

Smoke smell can and is removable with the right cleaning, painting, etc...I know this first hand.


Real Estate Investor · Coral Springs, Florida


I don't smoke and I don't have pets. I allow smoking and pets (up to 30lbs). I'm more concerned with finding a quality tenant that will pay me the market rent. I charge a pet deposit and pet rent. Damages (if any) are covered in the lease.


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