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Real Estate Investor · Atlanta, Georgia


In my limited experience as a landlord, this is the first time I've come across this situation, so I was hoping to get some feedback/advice from other landlords...

One of my tenants just called my property manager to complain that her heating bill for last month was over $400. She said that she believes this is unreasonably high and asked us to do something to ensure future bills are lower.

Now, as for whether the bill is higher than what should be expected, I really don't know. I only purchased this house a few months ago, so I don't have previous years data to go on.

I will say that this past month has been the coldest on record in Atlanta, with average temperatures probably around 35-40 degrees. Additionally, the tenant claims to have kept the thermostat at 73 degrees all day, every day.

As some background info, the house is a two-story traditional, 3 beds/2 baths, about 1600 square feet, was built about 6 years ago (2004), has original windows and has new exterior doors. The furnace underwent cleaning and maintenance a few months ago, and is also 6 years old.

Anyway, all the doors and windows are as well-sealed as we can get them, and without taking extreme measures (replacing windows with better insulated windows, I'm not sure there is much we can do.

Let me also point out that this tenant tends to be relatively high-maintenance...though I'm trying to judge this situation on its own merits.

Any thoughts/advice/opinions on how to deal with the situation or the tenant is appreciated...

Thanks!

J Scott, Lish Properties, LLC
Telephone: 770-906-6358
Website: http://www.123flip.com
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$400 utility bills are not uncommon in older homes in Indiana.

You may be able to get the past utility history from the utility company, even if you weren't the owner. That may help convince her that it's normal. You'll also want to check that the furnace filter is clean, that can sometime cause poor functionality. Otherwise, you may offer to reduce the lease breaking fee or something.

I generally remind tenants that the houses are old, and as well kept up as can be expected, but that I won't re-insulate a building or replace windows because someone wants to run their heat up to 75.


Real Estate Investor · Godley, Texas


Two years ago our electricity rates spiked in Texas. This was during the $4.00 gallon gasoline as well. Several of my tenants were complaining about their utility bills. Even my own electric bill was killing me.

I went ahead and blew more insulation in the attic of several of the rentals that were easy to get to. I also blew my own attic at the same time. It made a huge difference and is now a selling point when I have to fill a vacancy.

I used the non fiberglass stuff from Lowes. It was cheap and I think it may qualify for some federal energy saving program. I failed to follow proper procedures and didn't qualify. :(

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Real Estate Investor · Godley, Texas


I didn't know you were landlording Jason?

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Real Estate Investor · Atlanta, Georgia


Thanks for the tips, guys...

Greg - Great suggestion on the blown insulation...

Marc - Great suggestion on trying to get the past utility bills from the power company...

Oh, and Greg, I'm still mostly flipping, but occasionally find a property that's perfectly suited to be a rental, either short-term or long-term...

J Scott, Lish Properties, LLC
Telephone: 770-906-6358
Website: http://www.123flip.com
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Commercial Real Estate Broker · Memphis, Tennessee


You should be able to get a historical bill from the utility company, at least here in Memphis you can. From several years managing close to a thousand units one thing comes to mind. Often times tenants are not mindful of being efficient with utilities, dressing up or down rather than keeping the thermostat set. That most likely contributes to most of the problem, the house not being very efficient could be some to. I don't know that you owe the tenant anything for that, that comes with the territory of begin a renter and not an owner. If you use a management company they should be willing to do some basic investigative work to ensure there are not any obvious problems that are causing this situation.


Banker · Tampa Area, Florida


it's already been suggested to get the past energy usage so i won't suggest that, however, i would suggest asking the electric company if they do free energy tests.

progess energy will come out to the house, test window seals, check out energy usage on appliances, check insulation, etc and see what can be improved to save on electricity. personally, i couldn't imagine keeping it on 73 all the time. that's warm to me. the $400 bill for a 1600 sqft house during the coldest winter on record is not a surprise.


Banker · Tampa Area, Florida


it's already been suggested to get the past energy usage so i won't suggest that, however, i would suggest asking the electric company if they do free energy tests.

progess energy will come out to the house, test window seals, check out energy usage on appliances, check insulation, etc and see what can be improved to save on electricity. personally, i couldn't imagine keeping it on 73 all the time. that's warm to me. the $400 bill for a 1600 sqft house during the coldest winter on record is not a surprise.


Mobile Home Investor · Spanaway, Washington


There was no mention as to whether there were kids involved. In a MHP in CO a tenant there always runs about $100 higher than the other units. The kids turn the heat up and then hang out the window talking with friends or leave the doors wide open.


Real Estate Investor · Cottonwood Heights, Utah


73 is warm... I'm in Utah and we keep things at 68 or so. That 5 degree difference is probably the difference between $100/month and $400 a month. On issues like that, I slow play them. I'll respond with with something like "we'll look into it" and get back to the tenant a week or two later. Issues like this tend to resolve themselves.


SFR Investor · CB, Iowa


In my area, the utility companies have a "budget plan". It averages the usages for the year and the tenant agrees to pay the average each month. Although it won't solve the bigger issue of why the house is not energy efficient, it will prevent the sticker shock of a $400 January bill.


Real Estate Investor · East Lyme, Connecticut


Don't get me wrong I probably do way... more then I need to help out my tenants but. If the tenant is already high maintenance why not just tell her if she thinks it is high SHE should call the gas or utility company. Let her do the leg work. If they need you approval to release paperwork because you are the owner my guess is they can call you and get that. Otherwise it sounds like she is training you to do what she wants. Also yes 73 degrees very warm. Even owners up here in the northeast probably do not keep there house that warm. Housing code in at least one town I have rentals is (for leases that include heat) "thermostat must be set to a minimum of 65 degrees". I have some units I supply heat and I set the thermostat to 68 degrees. Good luck.


Real Estate Investor · East Lyme, Connecticut


Don't get me wrong I probably do way... more then I need to help out my tenants but. If the tenant is already high maintenance why not just tell her if she thinks it is high SHE should call the gas or utility company. Let her do the leg work. If they need you approval to release paperwork because you are the owner my guess is they can call you and get that. Otherwise it sounds like she is training you to do what she wants. Also yes 73 degrees very warm. Even owners up here in the northeast probably do not keep there house that warm. Housing code in at least one town I have rentals is (for leases that include heat) "thermostat must be set to a minimum of 65 degrees". I have some units I supply heat and I set the thermostat to 68 degrees. Good luck.


Real Estate Investor · Atlanta, Georgia


Folks -

Again, thanks for all the great suggestions. I'll be calling the utility company to get the past bills, and assuming these costs are consistent with past winters (taking into account the extremely cold weather), I'll let her know that I can't do anything about the situation.

We've pushed back on many of her unreasonable requests, so I don't think she's trying to "push me"...I just think she's used to living in an apartment, and there are some aspects of SFHs that she's not accustomed to.

Anyway, I've given her the option of getting out of her lease early if she really can't afford the utility bills, which wouldn't bother me either way...

J Scott, Lish Properties, LLC
Telephone: 770-906-6358
Website: http://www.123flip.com
http://www.123flip.com


· Orlando, Florida


I had the reverse problem this past summer, with the AC bill being too high. After having the AC people come out a couple times and not be able to find anything wrong, it was finally discovered that insulation was missing over parts of the house. I just decided to pay for an extra layer of insualtion to be blown in and the tenants' issues with the bill stopped.


Real Estate Investor · Miramar, Florida


I also have whats looking like a high maint tenant who moved in at the start of this month. She complained of the AC taking forever to cool the place and having to turn it all the way down to get it cold.

I had the service guys come out on Saturday and they couldn't find anything wrong. The unit is 30 years old so its inefficient but its working. The service rep did tell me that the thermostat was prob miscalibrated over the years due to corrosion and use. I replaced the thermostat that day and haven't heard back from the tenant.

I noticed when I went into the unit a couple times she had the ac turned off totally while she was not home. My ac guy said that will probably be the root cause of her bill being high since the AC has to work extra hard to drop the temp when its turned back on rather than it maintaining a constant temp during the day and having a smaller drop when occupied.


Real Estate Investor · Chillicothe, Ohio


400 sounds kinda high i have a 2500 square house that was built back in 1990 and all original windows and doors and their are a lot leaks that i haven't fixed yet through out the house i have the temp set on 72 and my heat bill runs 280 a month .
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