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Real Estate Investor · Houston, Texas


Hi everyone. I haven't posted in a while. I've been busy getting a rental in order. I now have a dilemma between two applicant tenants. I am leaning towards one but wanted some of your opinions. The SFH is a 3/2/2 listed for 1295. Comps at 1350. Only other active comp is being listed for 1550.

App #1: single mom with four young teenagers. Will be using section 8 voucher. Income (to be verified) is already 3x rent. Did not have complaints about the house, but section8 still has to do inspections. Some credit issues.

App #2: two grad students working research positions. Good credit. Nitpicked during showing (e.g. how some cabinets doors had a mm gap in closed position). Signs of endless service calls in the future? Constantly wanted to negotiate price down. Requested fridge, washer, dryer at my expense (lower rent if they bought and I keep or I buy at current rent rate). Asked my realtor if they could back out of app if they needed to.

Both are wanting to move in 2 weeks.

Your opinions are appreciated.


Real Estate Investor · Baltimore, Maryland


#2 seems flaky. If they ask how they can back up from an agreement, charge an application deposit that will convert into a SD upon signing the lease. But again, do you really want to sign the contract with someone who wants out?


Real Estate Investor · Cincinnati, Ohio


Well, did you have a set criteria (written) before you started taking applications, did they both meet it? Did you already verify their employment, credit, income, past rental history, etc.?

What shape is the house in and will it take abuse from 4 teenagers? How old are the teenagers (when they will be moving out)? Boys or girls (boys tend to be rougher on property than girls)? How does the single mother's rental history?

As far as the grad students, what happens if one of them finds another position and moves out? How far away from graduating and do they have intentions of moving to another city/state or do they plan to stick with their current employer after they're done? Nitpicking can actually be a good sign, you can protect yourself by having some addenda to your lease but it tells you they may actually care about the property and its condition. It's obvious that they view your property as a fall back place and they're asking about backing out in case they find something better/cheaper. I'm curious why two grad students need an SFR instead of an apartment or a condo?

The single mother will probably stay longer, you can bank on getting your rent on time, but the property will probably take some abuse from having teenagers. The two grad students will probably not stay as long, may break the lease if one of them loses a job or lands something else, but they'll probably take a better care of the property. It may be beneficial to lower the price a bit more and see if you can attract few more applicants...

Good luck!


Real Estate Investor · Houston, Texas


Thanks for the replies. Well, I fired back at App #2. I offered to provide the fridge, washer, and dryer; but raise the rent. I just basically said no to some of the ridiculous requests (mm gap in cabinets). They accepted!


Real Estate Investor · Flower Mound, Texas


I think George and Jim covered it and make sure even though they accepted that you fully process their application like Jim mentioned. Half the time prospective tenants take off when they hear my application process. That's fine, I want the cream of the crop tenant.



I'm curious as to how you even have an option to pick. I haven't done much landlording, but I thought there were two ways to pick the tenant. Both involve having a written set of criteria.

1) First one to meet the criteria gets the apt.
2) Accept applications until a set date/time. Highest score gets the apt. In case of tie, earlier applicant gets the apt.

Oh wait, there was a third one I've heard of.
3) Set the criteria so high that no meets it. Then pick the one you want.

#3 always sounds like it's asking for trouble though.

Just to be clear - I'm not saying you did anything wrong. But I plan to get into more landlording in the future, and so the more I can learn, the better.


Real Estate Investor · Houston, Texas


Update - I went with app #2. They actually have not bothered me much even though they have a direct line of communication with me through google chat. Even better, they set up an electronic monthly recurring transfer for rent payment. I feel blessed!

Roy - I actually had a criteria. Both applicants came in the same day and both met that criteria. Being my first rental, I guess I didn't narrow it down enough and I didn't really know what type of applicants to expect. Otherwise, I would have already known which one to pick. I believe you learn to make those decisions through experience. I don't think #2 is the smart way to go. What if none of them meet your criteria.


Hard Money Lender · Tyngsborough, Massachusetts


If none meet your criteria, then keep looking, and maybe decrease the rent to increase your pool of applicants. Lower the rent, not your standards. An empty unit is way cheaper than a bad tenant.

But sounds like you made a good call. The students were simply using their nitpiking as a negotiation tool. Good for them for trying, good for you for sticking to your guns.


Real Estate Investor · San Jose, California


Originally posted by Mogi P.
Thanks for the replies. Well, I fired back at App #2. I offered to provide the fridge, washer, and dryer; but raise the rent. I just basically said no to some of the ridiculous requests (mm gap in cabinets). They accepted!

Great job at firing back! Don't let them push you around. Be firm, let them know who is in charge. I usually tell them, if you don't like it, this unit may not be for you and it's something you have to consider. If your soft, you will have a lot of headaches.


Residential Landlord · Washington, DC


Mogi,

I, too, think you made a good choice. I find that many tenants (responsible ones) tend to nit-pick about small stuff. They seem to have a "settling-in" period of a few weeks or a month where they drive you nuts. If they go over the top I suggest that perhaps they aren't happy and would like to be released from the lease. This usually ends the nonsense ("the upstairs tenants wake me at 6am, a kitchen cabinet knob is loose, the kitchen light is not bright enough AND the latest...light from the street lamp comes thru the blinds into our bedroom" = maybe you want to leave...and "Oh no, we LOVE it here".

Grad students don't tend to have alot of money to move around. You may get one leaving and a substitute. Teens and section 8 spells trouble and damage in my mind.




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