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BiggerPockets Founder · Denver, Colorado


I had my own rant, but removed it . . .

I'll just leave it at this: I won't be voting for Either major candidate this year - I'm not willing to put my stamp of approval on either McCain or Obama.

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Real Estate Investor · Ohio


I'm with Josh. I'm voting for Ron Paul. McCain is an idiot (although I have great respect for his military service). His flailing on the economy is deplorable. On the other hand, Obama is a socialist intent on destroying the United States.

I also totally disagree with the idea that we should omit anyone that has strong religious views. I think Sarah Palin is a breath of fresh air and I am fully behind having a President who isn't a Washington Politician. In fact, I think a firefighter, teacher, or rental property owner with absolutely no political experience would make an infinitely better president than these clowns.

Mike



I'm with Mike except on the Sarah Palin situation. She definitely knows less than a firefighter, teacher, or rental property owner. Her lack of knowledge and experience would make us a laughing stock all over the world.


Real Estate Investor · Las Vegas, Nevada


Originally posted by MikeOH
In fact, I think a firefighter, teacher, or rental property owner with absolutely no political experience would make an infinitely better president than these clowns.


Mike, are you announcing your candidacy? If so, you have my vote!

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Real Estate Investor · Gainesville, FL


Originally posted by **********

Could YOU imagine John McCain at a world summit, listening to a leader that he despises, rolling his eyes and using the facial expressions he used last night? :roll:


I think we have been spending too much time thinking about what the would thinks about us and not enough time thinking about our own country. It's time we realize that we come first and solving the problems of the world comes a distant second.

Honestly, the minute I care about how my president comes off to the rest of the world is the minute I don't vote. I'm tired of hearing people talk about "who the world likes" or that "Germany loves Obama" or "what will the islamic terrorists think about electing McCain". That should be the last thing on your mind.


Real Estate Investor · Los Angeles, California


Originally posted by **********

I think we have been spending too much time thinking about what the would thinks about us and not enough time thinking about our own country.

Probably because the world trade center was demolished.






Real Estate Investor · Indiana, Indiana


James, I'm a bit confused. Are you a democrat or republican? I can't figure out from your posts or the Berkeley University link in your sig line. ;-)

You need to see "American Carol". I thought of you while watching a musical number right in the middle of it involving some university professors.


Real Estate Investor · Indiana, Indiana


Another thing I find interesting that seems to be missed here....

When Joe the Plumber's taxes are increased - who do you think is going to see decreased profit in his "flipping" business when rehab costs increase?


Real Estate Investor · Naperville, IL


As a business owner and investor for many years, the cry to "tax the rich" from arguably the most leftist candidate since McGovern is alarming.

$250K is not only the gross (we killed a gross receipts tax attempt here in IL), but even as net it could be equal to zero or less than zero.

After struggling for five, ten, or even fifteen years in business-- perhaps the first several years losing money, and taking on debt and enormous risks, it's not uncommon for a business owner to eek out a $30K, $40K, or $60K a year living for years before one year magically getting a single contract that propels them into Obama's mystical $250K bracket.

The average for a decade or two may still come out to a mere $30K - $40K but all of the sudden after years of sacrifice, delayed gratification, and self-deprivation a person would quite literally be penalized by the Obama class warfare.

The reason is simple- Obama hasn't even held a legitimate job, let alone run a business. He's nearly completely ignorant on every topic-- let alone economics and how economies grow. He's dangerously ignorant, and unpredictable as a result-- take bombing Pakistan for instance, or flip flopping on the status of Jerusalem, or whether or not Iran is a serious threat-- because he flat doesn't know what he's doing.

Add to that his terrorist / marxist / black liberation theology mentors and you've really got a volatile mix that will make Jimmy Carter appear stable, and competent.

McCain isn't my personal choice, and I live in a "blue" State anyway (Obama will run away with the People's Republic of Illinois by 20 points) but if I lived in a "swing" state-- I'd have to vote for McCain against Obama.

As investors here- we'll be fine. We adapt rather well when the chips are down-- but an Obama Presidency will devastate much of America.

To vote for or support Obama is irresponsible.


Virtual Assistant · Fayetteville, Georgia


We MUST remove religious views and beliefs the best wee can. STRONG Religious views start wars and ward KILL a lot of children and COST OUR CHILDREN Trillions!

Perhaps you have forgotten that our country began with some of the most "religious" men of their day. George Washington was so bold as to say that one could not separate religion and morality. He also believed that it was impossible to be a patriot and try to take religion out of politics. True reverence for God and His law is the best way to protect life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness even for those that refuse to acknowledge Him. Many early Americans, who were not Christians, understood that Christian principles respect even those who are not Christian. This country was made great by those guiding principles, not inspite of them.


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Real Estate Investor · Los Angeles, California


I on the other hand really enjoyed the movie Religulous. I think everyone should see it. That Bill Maher is a hoot.

Originally posted by **********
Well, guess I asked for input and got input! LOL We're discussing beliefs and views and thats great!


"Perhaps you have forgotten that our country began with some of the most "religious" men of their day. George Washington was so bold as to say that one could not separate religion and morality. He also believed that it was impossible to be a patriot and try to take religion out of politics. True reverence for God and His law is the best way to protect life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness even for those that refuse to acknowledge Him. Many early Americans, who were not Christians, understood that Christian principles respect even those who are not Christian. This country was made great by those guiding principles, not inspite of them."

AGAIN, what I wrote was:
We MUST remove religious views and beliefs the best wee can. STRONG Religious views start wars and ward KILL a lot of children and COST OUR CHILDREN Trillions!

You wrote:
"True reverence for God and His law is the best way to protect life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness even for those that refuse to acknowledge Him."

Is that what we are doing in Afghanistan and Iraq? Protecting life, liberty and the way of happiness, even for those that refuse to believe?

GIVE ME A BREAK! It's this type of blind radical thinking that is destroying any chances of life, liberty and happiness for MILLIONs of CHILDREN!







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Real Estate Investor · Indiana, Indiana


Originally posted by **********
We NEED to work with other nations and THAT IS a FACT of life!


I agree but we don't have to work with some of the leaders of other nations. Some leaders need to be removed so we can free it's people up to work with us. America is the greatest country on the earth and everyone deserves the right to work with us and have a chance to be great just like us.

Tim


Real Estate Investor · Los Angeles, California


Originally posted by Tim Wieneke
America is the greatest country on the earth and everyone deserves the right to work with us and have a chance to be great just like us.
Tim


I think that's were many people's opinion's are changing.

The consensus for some has been leaning towards: "America 'was' the greatest country on earth."

Many want to leave now. The election will be interesting in that respect, too.

Most bleeding heart nationalists would simply say: "Then get the hell out." And it feels like many who were on the fence are starting to think: "Yeah, I'm working on getting the hell out"

Me, I'm just here for the chicks and the real estate :)




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