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Real Estate Investor · Bartlett, IL


As far as I know, every fiat currency has fallen since Julius Caesar invented the first. The "Apocalypse thread" reminded me of a question I have been wondering about for a long time.

This is the digital age and currency is now more ephemeral and malleable than ever. It is issued and transferred as electrons and pulses of light in computers over digital networks and recorded. This is something never before seen in history and makes me wonder:

CAN the dollar go bust in a hyperinflation or a deflation?

Let's have some debate. It just might be the most important economic question of the next few years.


Real Estate Investor · Ohio


It can and WILL go bust - that is an absolute certainty. Whether you print trillions of dollars on paper or you flood the market with trillions of dollars of electronic funny money, the currency is still diluted and becomes worth less.

Mike


Real Estate Investor · Wyoming, Michigan


oddly enough..the world economy has been poor and people have put their money into the U.S. dollar which has been showing strength in currency pairs for awhile since the middle of 08.

who knows what happens next


· Northern, California


Consider Germany in the 1920s. The Treaty of Versailles required Germany to pay reparations to its enemies from World War 1. So, this is different from the circumstance that we find ourselves in today, but the effect is the same. The Germans were too far in debt to other nations. They tried to get out of debt by simply printing money. The resulting hyperinflation has several anecdotes:
A woman goes to the store to buy a loaf of bread. Due to the extreme inflation, she must bring the money to buy the bread in a wheelbarrow. When she comes out of the store, she finds that she is the victim of theft. The thieves took her wheelbarrow. They left the money, because it was worthless.
People could drink a bottle of wine with dinner, then the next day, recycle the bottle for more than they had paid for the wine. That was the rate that German currency was devaluing.
I believe that the more gimmicks we try to unfold in the name of dodging inflation or maintaining the value of our currency. Eventually, we will have to exchange value for value and pay our debtors back.
We need to have low unemployment, we need to have manufacturing and intellectual property and goods that the rest of the world wants, we need to maintain priorities which address the needs of the rest of the world, and productively and effectively execute said priorities. If we fail to do this, you bet your life (and your children's wallets) that our currency will be worthless.


Plumbing Contractor · rutherfordton, North Carolina


the true "dollar" has been "bust" for awile now. stop and think for a minute...
if the top ten "richest" people in america wanted to quit right now or even over a period of time and cash in for the tangent gold supposedly there to back it all up....it just couldnt happen, it is impossible


Real Estate Investor · Las Vegas, Nevada


Any fiat currency can go bust. That will happen when:

a) people around the world lose faith in the currency
b) there is another alternative that is perceived as safer

For more on the German inflation that was mentioned above see:

http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2008/09/29/a-bag-of-money-to-buy-a-loaf-of-bread/

:cool:


Real Estate Investor · Wheat Ridge, Colorado


You don't even have to go to the past. Look at Zimbabwe right now.

I'd argue the value has already fallen. The M2 and M3 money supplies have skyrocketed in recent years. That's led to huge and unnoticed inflation of ... real estate.

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BiggerPockets Founder · Denver, Colorado


I was about to quote Zimbabwe as a reference point as well, Jon. Check out the following:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/zimbabwe/4269695/Zimbabwe-introduces-100-trillion-banknote.html

Pretty crazy!

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Real Estate Investor · Fort Myers, Florida


Originally posted by Jon Holdman
You don't even have to go to the past. Look at Zimbabwe right now.

I'd argue the value has already fallen. The M2 and M3 money supplies have skyrocketed in recent years. That's led to huge and unnoticed inflation of ... real estate.



The funny part about M2 is, it went thru the roof when they mastered the use of computers and the electronic sweep. That was the start

We have went from:
The Gold Standard
The Paper Standard
Now we have the digital standard

Fractional banking needs to have a 12:1 ratio of real monet to vapor paper, 20:1 can workwith the way balance sheets work. We were at 50+:1 in 2005, when they quit publishing M3.

M2 is the real worry, as that is a lot of internally inflated paper within the banking system itself.

Real Estate Investor · Wheat Ridge, Colorado


I think you're correct, Jeff. People talk about the government printing money. But it seems like the real culprit is banks manufacturing it with fractional banking. I'd also say a big part of this banking crisis is the deleveraging that's happening where they're desperately trying to ratchet back the ratio. Maybe (wishful thinking here) that will work to offset all the money the feds are going to flood out.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


Real Estate Investor · North Carolina


If the dollar goes bust then tangible goods would seem a wise investment. Something to barter with until a new currency is established.

One would assume real estate would hold some sort of 'value'. But I'm certainly not looking forward to trying to collect rent in something other than dollars.

And how's it going to look in eviction court? "Your honor, Mr. Tenant was short this month's rent by a case of beer!"




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