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Forums » Rehabbing and House Flipping » Need help - 24 unit apt. complex needing rehab/remodel.

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Real Estate Investor · Colorado


Hi folks!! Great place with a ton of info!! Also, I'm a new member here and full of questions!!

I've recently endured a eminent domain settlement and have to re-invest the monies via 1033 into something.

I'm looking at a 24 unit apt complex here in CO. The square footage is about 19,000 and each unit is a 2BR/1BA roughly 800sq/ft each. I need help in two fronts:

1. Valuation of current condition.
2. Estimation of rehab/remodel.

I'm pretty sure that my offer on the property in it's current condition is going to be determined by extrapolating the costs to rehab versus what my projected income will be.

What I need help with determining is what it's going to cost me per sq/ft to do the rehab/remodel.

The complex is vacant, and has been for 2 years. It's going to need pretty much everything. From the outside, we're going to need landscaping, parking lot re-sealing, siding, windows, entry doors, french doors, decks(approx 8x10'), and roof.

Inside same thing. Furnace, hot water heater, flooring, kitchen, bath, doors, molding, evaporative cooler etc.

Basically, the electrical, plumbing, and foundation/framing are all that is intact and will remain.

Rents are varying from $525-$625 here so a potential gross income of $151,200-$180,000 is possible.

It seems as if the range of $25-$50sq/ft seems to be the normally quoted cost to remodel/rehab, but it seems as if that pertains to residential houses, and I'm figuring that I might end up on the lower end of that scale due to the rentals and my desire to install lower end stuff.

All the units have separate deeds, and if I get the place, I'm planning on completing the entire outside, and then attacking one unit at a time and renting them out as I go. I also plan on holding and managing it myself ans there is space for 30 additional units in which I would like to develop when the market turns around.


General Contractor · San Luis Obispo, California


Hello John, I am a gen. contr. from CA. and apt. investor. I like what you are doing and am attempting the same in this market. Glad to help if possible. How old are the units? You say they are 2 yrs. vacant. any info. on last replacement of fixtures? ie: WH, furnace. I think there is a good thread to your plan. In any rehab/remodel the expenses are always tied to product. So, I am wondering if you could hold down initial cost by keeping any functnal WH, Furnace, plumbing fixtures, Etc. and weed through them as you bring units on line. I have even collected from units to create ready units for income to offset expenses. If bidding your project, as a gen. I would offer a price break for the # of units. Time on job, repetetive work allows for better bids. The sq. ft. price for residental should be more. So you should do better that 25/ sq. ft. If your #'s work at that, then you should be good. That said I have not seen extent of needed repairs. If I can help, please contact me. This is what I want to do. Dean


General Contractor · Knoxville, Tennessee


Hi John I am also a gen. con. a year ago I rehabbed a 24 unit complex in Knox TN. My cost on that project was $30 per sq.ft. material and labor. most units had to be done completely. The other thing I suggest you check on is the individual deeds with your local permit office, I ran into a problem in FL, I tried to permit as one job when I needed individual permits for each deeded property. Code enforcement shut me down for 2 months. But each county is different, and that could cost you, so be honest with them and tell them what your intentions are. I learned my lesson and will never cut that corner again.


Real Estate Investor · Colorado


Originally posted by Dean Powers
Hello John, I am a gen. contr. from CA. and apt. investor. I like what you are doing and am attempting the same in this market. Glad to help if possible. How old are the units? You say they are 2 yrs. vacant. any info. on last replacement of fixtures? ie: WH, furnace. I think there is a good thread to your plan. In any rehab/remodel the expenses are always tied to product. So, I am wondering if you could hold down initial cost by keeping any functnal WH, Furnace, plumbing fixtures, Etc. and weed through them as you bring units on line. I have even collected from units to create ready units for income to offset expenses. If bidding your project, as a gen. I would offer a price break for the # of units. Time on job, repetetive work allows for better bids. The sq. ft. price for residental should be more. So you should do better that 25/ sq. ft. If your #'s work at that, then you should be good. That said I have not seen extent of needed repairs. If I can help, please contact me. This is what I want to do. Dean

Thanks for the reply Dean,

The building was built in the early 80's, so it's roughly 25 years old.

The prior company bought it with the intention to condominiumize each unit and selling them hence the separate deeds.

Each unit is pretty much gutted. Some have drywall up that is salvageable, and some will need drywall.

I.E. No flooring, baseboard heaters, cabinets, fixtures, sinks, tubs, toilets, etc.

Most still have the WH and furnaces, and to be honest, I'm not sure if A. They work. and B. If they are even "fixable".

I plan on doing the rehab myself along with 2-3 competent hands.

I really like doing the work myself, and right now, I really don't have any other prospects. I'm thinking I can get some rents flowing in within 6 months or maybe 8.



Real Estate Investor · Colorado


Originally posted by Jereme Peltier
Hi John I am also a gen. con. a year ago I rehabbed a 24 unit complex in Knox TN. My cost on that project was $30 per sq.ft. material and labor. most units had to be done completely. The other thing I suggest you check on is the individual deeds with your local permit office, I ran into a problem in FL, I tried to permit as one job when I needed individual permits for each deeded property. Code enforcement shut me down for 2 months. But each county is different, and that could cost you, so be honest with them and tell them what your intentions are. I learned my lesson and will never cut that corner again.

Thanks for the reply Jeramie-

That figure of $30sq/ft, did that include exterior?

Also, my wife is looking into the permitting. She's a R/E attoryney, and has worked for the largest firm in the country. She'll also be handling the acquisition and leasing.

I'm fairly sure that I'll be pulling a permit on the building, 4 of which contains 6 apartments.

My wife is very active in the county politically, and more than likely we'll have the full support of the county in getting this property online.

Thanks for all the advice and information. We're drafting a contract I type this.


General Contractor · San Luis Obispo, California


Hi John,

Jeramie, has some good points. City and county errors can cost you. And given your description you may be looking at the higher end. This is a great economy to negotiate prices in. CA. bids can be 20% less this year. Definately want to look at volume purchase pricing with the volume of cabs, sinks, etc. you have. Since you are not intimidated by the scope of work, you will be able to save on labor. But remember product is what drives price so, keep a sharp eye on product cost. keep us posted on how to offer goes. Best of luck. Always welcome discusion, so email me. I am curious if there is a market for consultation on projects like this. I think it would be fun to build a business around helping fellow investors get into multifamily income this way. Many are intimidated. Your thoughts??? Dean


General Contractor · Knoxville, Tennessee


John, that figure did not include landscaping, pavement etc. it did however include building exteriors roof, windows, doors, entryways etc. As I've stated in other blogs the building dept. is all about the "good ole boy" system, so your wife having a in is an awesome bonus. Also when I do these type of rehabs be sure and check for your local overstock and scratch and dent wholesalers, I found tons of materials using these resources. Best of luck, if I can be of further help please feel free to contact me.


Developer · Austin, Texas


Hello John,

How did your project turn out?


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