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Hello Everyone

I am new to Real Estate Investing. Let me tell you about my first flip. I got this house under contract for 12K. Its a good area. Well for a house this cheap there must be something wrong with it right? Well their is and alot. First off it has a good flat roof. The electrical has been stripped completely it needs brand new electrical. It needs Air Conditioning. Tile all across the house expect the rooms. New Windows their old and broken. Kitchen needs work also.

Now for the home.

1500 sq ft 3 beedrooms 2 bathrooms
it also has a small 1 bedroom and bathroom in the back so its two homes in one.

So its going to be a huge project.

How can I find out how much I can sell the house after its fixed?


· Houston, Texas


You should have found your ARV before you purchased, but getting a realtor to pull sold houses within the last 6 months in that neighborhood will do it.



How can I find the ARV?


Real Estate Investor · Orlando, Florida


AdamB just told you. I'm curious too how you didn't know the ARV prior to buying the property. Get your agent to pull all the comps for you to see what everything else has been selling for.
Do you have an estimate for the rehab? Who is doing that?


General Contractor · belcamp, Maryland


I would think getting a realator to pull the comps should of been one of the first things done. Then getting a estimate for all the work needing be done.

Pretty much everything that has already been said.

Good luck


Real Estate Investor · Lake Lure, North Carolina


Here's how to buy a house:

1. After you get the appointment with the seller to look at the house, pull the property record card (tax record) to see the specifics of the house.

2. Pull the comps. You want like area, size, style, year built, etc. Do not use REO's, F/C's, discount sales. You want retail sales in good shape. Possibly even renovations of the same style home you are looking at.

3. Drive by the subject 30 minutes before the appointment to get a feel for what you are looking at. Then drive the comps. Pick three of the best comps that are in good shape compared to your subject.

4. Average the $ per square foot of the comps and use that average to determine the ARV of your subject.

5. BEFORE YOU EVER MEET THE SELLER OR SEE THE HOUSE YOU SHOULD ALREADY KNOW WHAT THE ARV IS.

6. Meet with the seller. Remember this: "It's not the house. It's the seller". If you can't bond and rapport with the seller, you will never buy the house.

7. Determine repairs.

8. Multiply the discount you are going to make on the house. Then subtract the repairs. i.e. $100K - 50% - $20K = $30K.

9. Make your offer to the seller.

I hope this helps and I am sorry you did not know this prior to buying the house.


Wholesaler · Whittier, California


Thank you for the simple outline Rob.



Okay thanks everyone for the reply. I talked to my realtor about market analysis in that neighborhood she said between 35k and 70k Almost all the homes there are Flat roof. This house is different though its hard to compare to she said. Its two homes in one lot. I will do repair estimates i am really worried about the flat roof I will be getting estimates on all the repair I would love a pitched roof


Real Estate Investor · Atlanta, Georgia


Originally posted by Adrian Carlos
I talked to my realtor about market analysis in that neighborhood she said between 35k and 70k

If your agent can only provide a market value +/- 100%, you need to find a new agent IMMEDIATELY.

That's ridiculous...

J Scott, Lish Properties, LLC
Telephone: 770-906-6358
Website: http://www.123flip.com
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Rehabber · Decatur, Georgia


I second J's statement... you need a closer approximation of resale value.

Assuming your Realtor (Realtor. Not Realator.) is right about the value being 35k, you may be in a world of hurt at 12k. Windows, HVAC, roof, cabinets, flooring, bathroom rehab, etc. can all add up to $30k+ in a big hurry.

If you haven't already closed, pay a General Contractor to come take a look and give you a bid... also find a competent Realtor or Appraiser and pay them to give you a closer number for the ARV.

Then you'll have a better idea if you want to close or not.


Residential Real Estate Agent · Birmingham, Alabama


Wondering how much stock ya'll put into info from websites such as TRULIA or ZILLOW when it comes to a homes value? Resently sold property values/ price per sqft in the area seems pretty valid. I do have to disagree with the "Zillow Estimate" a lot of the time, though have noticed that it seems to be closer in some areas and not so much in others. Anyway, wondering if any of you use either site for determining a property value, or more just a tool that provides some more information?
Thanks!


Rehabber · Houston, Texas


I use 100% of my info from the MLS. Nothing less, nothing more. If you haven't already, develop a relationship with a realtor. You're going to run into some who don't understand the business, and you'll run into a few who will. They can be a very large asset to your team.

Danny


Rehabber · Decatur, Georgia


Do you really want to make business strategy decisions... which may potentially make, or lose you tens of thousands of dollars, based upon a free website which mindlessly dredges all available public records with very little meta or sorting?

The banks don't. They shell out good money to get BPOs and appraisals... and even those can be wrong or misleading.

Now go pay a good agent $50 for a BPO or an appraiser a few hundred bucks for a desktop appraisal.

ARV can make or break your deal. Don't risk your business and your money on dubious data.




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