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Rehabber · Powhatan, Virginia


As I mentioned before I have under contract a 3 bed 1 bath home. I am paying $31k.

My plan was to fix and flip the property. Getting into flipping and doing the work is my ultimate goal. I want to build up to 4 to 5 per year.

This house is a good one to start with.

However after reading about wholesaling on BP. I posted an ad of CL listing the house for $55. Outlining teh repairs needed.

I had a guy go by amd look at the house. He has offered me $48.

I will negoatiate to get higher.

My questions pertain to(if i deside) to sell it to him. How to go back to my seller and work out the deal. My deal is done and they are working on closing.

How do I go back to my seller?
How do I handle closing so that I dont have to close on it first?
I would like my buyer to buy the house from my seller and I get a check for the differance, how do I do this?

Should I do this? If I want to be a rehabber why do this? The only reason I see is it will load my pocket to help pay for flipping another house

Ideas? Thoughts?

anything

Thanks
JD

I think the buyer is an end user not an investor


Real Estate Investor · Princeton, New Jersey


Jason,

First off, congratulations on getting this deal. The fact that you have a buyer buying as-is is awesome.

Going back to the seller and telling him to sell it to your buyer and just give you a check for the difference sounds like a really bad idea to me for a number of reasons. Now granted, I've yet to do my first deal, but at the same time, just seems like it might very well backfire on you somehow.

I've been researching a lot of transactional funding. Yes there are fees involved, but you can put everything together in a relatively quick fashion and still do a quick closing.

I look forward to hearing how your deal develops. The good news is that you are taking action and getting results.

John


Rehabber · Powhatan, Virginia


i just dont want to pay closing cost twice. Plus I am using hard money. If I can avaiding having to use the
hard money I will have money on the points etc.


Real Estate Investor · Elgin, Illinois


Be honest with the seller. Tell them you originally planned on purchasing the property, rehabbing it, and flipping it for a profit. However, in the meantime you found someone else in your network of buyers that is interested in paying a higher price for the property so you can either close on the property for $31k you originally agreed upon and then you can resell it to the end buyer for the higher price, or you would be willing to give the seller a little bit extra for the property for helping you out with this. It will be cheaper for you to throw them a couple extra bucks then for you to pay for transactional funding, attorney fees twice etc. Its less complicated this way and you still walk away with a nice payday with virtually no risk. Take what you can get on it and move onto the next.


· Pittsfield, Massachusetts


Why don't you just assign the contract?


Rehabber · Powhatan, Virginia


I have been told I can not assign this contract. I am buying it from the city housing authority, they said I can not do that.


Real Estate Investor · Wheat Ridge, Colorado


Is this some sort of first time or low income program? What restrictions is the housing authority putting on you? You may have to treat this more or less like a REO. That is, you'll have to double close, maybe with transactional funds.

Is the end buyer getting a loan? Best if your end buyer is a cash buyer. Lenders get concerned when the seller (you) is not on title.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


Rehabber · Powhatan, Virginia


I have learned that he is an investor. Cash deal.
I don't get it why they won't allow it.

If I do sell now it will be with double close.

I am torn to sell now for quick cash or do the flip myself and sell for more cash, hopefully.

We will see what they respond with. I said lowest I could go is $53. If they don't like it oh well no skin off my nose.


Real Estate Investor · Oxnard, California


Sounds to me like you really need to look closely at the contract and see whether it truly not assignable. If it is not assignable, you need to see if there is a minimum amount of time you the city housing is saying you need to hold onto the property until you can re-sell it.

Unless the contract specifically states that it is NOT assignable, you will be able to assign it.

If you need to double close to get the deal done, so be it. You may even be able to find a title company that will do a wet closing (using your buyer's cash to fund your end of the deal). Title agents willing to do this are a rarity as of lately, but not impossible to find, especially if your buyer is using cash.

Good luck on the deal. Please report back let us know how it turns out.

edit: I just re-read through the posts... looks like you're already going to closing on your end... sucks to use hard money rather than just some transactional funding just to do a double closing, but if the numbers work for you and you make the amount of money out of the deal you're looking for, I say go for it.

Otherwise do the rehab like you wanted to do in the first place.


Real Estate Investor · Charlotte, North Carolina


how much will you reastically make if you rehab and flip it yourself? is it worth it to do th work and take the time if the profits are similar or onlya little more? i'd double close and buy another flip!


SFR Investor · Long Beach, California


If you have the chance to make 13-15k in profit after expenses for what basically amounts to an assignment fee, I wouldn't screw around with trying to fix it up myself or negotiate your end buyer up any higher. You leave out what the ARV is on this so it's hard to tell how much of a deal your end buyer is getting. Assuming your end buyer has rehab/carry costs of 20k, and the house is worth 100k ARV, he'll be making the same net amount (roughly) that you are by flipping it to him, except you don't have the additional time or money invested.

Your scenario is why it's a good idea to use an LLC or Trust to purchase properties. You can assign ownership or beneficial interest in either one of those entities without running afoul of the assignment rules on the property unless there is language specifically prohibiting that as well. However, if I was your end buyer, I wouldn't be too thrilled with you taking such a big chunk of the equity for yourself.


Rehabber · Powhatan, Virginia


Brian, that as interesting. The contract is in my LLC name. How does this help me?

My guy does not know what I am paying.

The ARV is $109 To 129k. Since I got it so low I was planning on listing it $99k to get rid of it quickly


Real Estate Investor · Oxnard, California


Originally posted by Jason Davis
Brian, that as interesting. The contract is in my LLC name. How does this help me?

My guy does not know what I am paying.

The ARV is $109 To 129k. Since I got it so low I was planning on listing it $99k to get rid of it quickly

You are just going to sell your LLC to your end buyer for the the amount of your choosing. $53K - $31K - Closing and carrying cost = the amount you sell your LLC to this investor guy for.

I don't know fine details of the how to do this, but that is a round about answer.


SFR Investor · Long Beach, California


Assignment language in purchase contracts or addenda usually deals with rights to assign the property itself. When you purchase using a LLC the property becomes the asset of the LLC. Unless there is language specifically prohibiting transfer of ownership of the entity purchasing the property then you can transfer ownership of the LLC. As Chris said, your assignment fee is paid to you and your end buyer assumes your LLC and closes the transaction. You wouldn't want to sell an established entity that you conduct all your business dealings out of. Rather, you would set up a shell and sell the shell to someone else.


Real Estate Investor · Burlington, Vermont


Hi Jason,

I've enjoyed reading your thread so far and this seems like a good deal. Just curious how this has worked out? Did you decide to wholesale it or fix and flip?

Thanks,

Tom




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