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Real Estate Investor · Los Angeles, California


Hi Everyone,
Just wrapping a single family renovation. Houses in my area have multiple offers if priced right. My partner and I are probably going to net about a 52% return on our investments for 3 1/2 months holding. Unfortunately the returns aren't all that high, but I only do it if I can get 10%+.

I'm looking for a 50% equity partners. My current one can't afford more than one at a time and I'm not a fan of working with friends and family, so I have to turn to others.

Most properties I'm interested in are under 100k and need about 5-20k in renovations. I do all the work, fund the repairs, oversee it, just need someone with some cash to be a silent partner if you like the opportunity.

Anyone interested?


SFR Investor · Rancho Cucamonga, California


What stops you from using hard money? It is cheaper than 50% in most cases? Where do you buy?

You can PM me details.


Real Estate Investor · Los Angeles, California


Originally posted by Steve L.
What stops you from using hard money? It is cheaper than 50% in most cases? Where do you buy?

You can PM me details.


Hi Steve, PM wouldn't work tonight for some reason. I've heard some bad stories about hard money lenders and they've pulled out of deals at the last second and leave the buyer stuck. Of course I'm sure that's not all and there are some that follow through. I guess I only hear the bad stories. You have luck with them?
Allen

Real Estate Investor · Santa Fe Springs, California


Hi Allen,
whereabouts are you buying?

When you say $100k, is that your purchase price, or the After Repair Value?

How would you structure the agreement? Would you be okay with me putting 1st TD on the property?

Please provide detail on how you would calculate the 50/50 split, provide an example.

I may be interested.......

Brian


Real Estate Investor · Carlsbad, California


We experienced the fickleness of a Hard Money Lender. A doctor in LA was funding the loan on one of our listings. Buyer had 40% down. The investor decides he wants to pull the plug at the last minute because we, the Sellers/Property Owners were "Investors", go figure... was he jealous that we were making money too?!, so anyway, the Selling Agent wasn't very experienced and he is ready to throw in the towel without considering creative options. I was irritated so I said, We will loan the buyer the funds on the same terms as the doctor/turned lender. I went to Doc Magic online drew up the loan documents in a matter of 4 hours (the learning curve)(cost $35), and then guess what... the Doctor/Lender had a change of heart because he realized he wasn't gonna' screw up our deal!!!! Some people! --Dawn


Real Estate Investor · Los Angeles, California


Originally posted by Richard92011
We experienced the fickleness of a Hard Money Lender. A doctor in LA was funding the loan on one of our listings. Buyer had 40% down. The investor decides he wants to pull the plug at the last minute because we, the Sellers/Property Owners were "Investors", go figure... was he jealous that we were making money too?!, so anyway, the Selling Agent wasn't very experienced and he is ready to throw in the towel without considering creative options. I was irritated so I said, We will loan the buyer the funds on the same terms as the doctor/turned lender. I went to Doc Magic online drew up the loan documents in a matter of 4 hours (the learning curve)(cost $35), and then guess what... the Doctor/Lender had a change of heart because he realized he wasn't gonna' screw up our deal!!!! Some people! --Dawn

Thanks for the story Dawn, that's exactly the same things I had been hearing (except the last minute change of heart).

Anyone with a positive experience?


Real Estate Investor · Carlsbad, California


We'd be interested just shy of 2m cash to work with. We are both Brokers and experienced, would have to have total transparency as we were working with a successful operation here in CA, but they were raping us with BS rehab expenses with unlicensed "contractors". We only work with honest people and we only play by the rules and the laws, we do not take short cuts and we do not take advantage of anyone and expect the same. Thanks. -- Dawn


Real Estate Investor · Carlsbad, California


Kenneth, I tried to PM you, but it did not go through. Our purchases have ranged from $60k to $450K all SFR here in CA, great returns, all hands-off we just bank rolled the purchases; except we do play around on our own, but it gets old real quick too time intensive and I go back to school next week. We will consider any experienced persons with an investing history and references. So in response to your question... yes we would consider such an investment with the right return. We are only interested in flips at this time. Thanks! -- Dawn


Developer · San Diego, California


Not that hard a decision - A Hard Money Lender, a Partner or Both?

It's the age old question in real estate, Do I get a hard money loan or should I get partners? Some people choose to get partners because they feel that hard money loans are too expensive or to risky and other people choose to get hard money loans because they think partners are too expensive. While at the outset one may think that hard money lenders are too expensive, it may be surprising to note that they can actually turn out to be cheaper than a partner or when used with partners allow you to increase your buying activity. This is because you will be able to leverage other people's money and will not be required to invest as much yourself. Therefore you can complete more deals if you chose to and even further improve the overall return on investment. However remember, leverage is not a good thing unconditionally, so use it carefully.

Here is a simple comparison.

Lets say a rehab deal takes 6 months with the following details:-

• Purchase Price: $200,000
• Rehab & Selling Costs: $50,000
• Sale Value: $300,000
• Partner share: 50/50
• Total Profit: $50,000
• Your Profit: $25,000
• Your Investment: $125,000
• Return On Investment: 20%
• Annualized ROI 40%

Here is the same deal if you went with a hard money lender:-

• Purchase Price: $200,000
• Rehab & Selling Costs: $50,000
• Sale Value: $300,000
• Loan Amount (65% of sale value) $195,000
• Loan Costs (4 points): $7,800
• Carrying Costs (13 PITI for 6 months) $12,675
• Profit: $29,525
• Investment: $75,475
• ROI: 39%
• Annualized ROI: 78%

As can be seen from the example above, the investment required has decreased by 40% (thus freeing up capital for other deals) while there is also a corresponding increase of almost 100% in the ROI. So if you used the balance of your funds to complete another similar deal, your ROI would turn out to be 4 times that as if you had partnered with a financier for 50% share.
Apart from the above financials which speak for themselves let's look at some other aspects of hard money lender funding vs. partnership funding below:-

Advantages of working with Partners:-

• If they are real partners (and not just investors) they will split the work load. There could be synergy if your partner has experience and contacts in the business.
• Can close very quickly if you are paying cash
• Can do more deals than you could do by yourself.
• Usually a safer and more conservative route
However, here are the disadvantages of working with partners/investors:-
• You do most of the work, you may invest as much as they do, however you need to split the profits equally.
• There can be disagreements resulting in the opposite of synergy
• Consensus may take a longer time to reach and may cost you money
• You will be limited in the freedom of your decisions
• Legal issues & securities laws

While on the other hand here are the advantages of working with a hard money lender:-

• It usually works out cheaper than a partner on a return on your money basis
• Because of leverage you can buy more property (this is a double edged sword and can be good when making money or can be devastating in a declining market if you do not buy right).
• Potentially will need very little or no money down. It usually is based on the value of the asset.
However one needs to be wary of the following when working with a hard money lender:-
• Leverage, as mentioned above, can become a double edged sword.
• This is short term financing, usually between 6 - 24 months, and therefore may become a problem if your exit strategy is not working out and you can not find take out financing.
• If you do not have a good relationship with someone you trust and they do not fund the loan you can lose out on the deal and more importantly your credibility
• You need to be careful on who you chose to work with as Hard money lenders are notorious for being sharks, therefore it is important to get a referral.

I only choose to involve partners when I can see a clear synergy between our efforts or work with some investors that with whom I have built a good level of mutual understanding.

Many times what we do is use our funds combined with investors and hard money/private money loans to purchase properties. This allows our investors to get a better return than going out and paying cash for the property themselves and we use our expertise and time to complete the project and they collect a check.
Good luck in your search and if you need a list of money lenders feel free to drop me an email as I have an excellent list of hard money lenders which I would be open to sharing with you.

Here is a link to a real life example of a recent transaction we used a hard money loan to purchase. For comparison purposes I put a scenario of using cash.

[url]www.gabhartinvestments.com/article/hard-money-lender-a-partner-or-both/[url]


Real Estate Investor · Carlsbad, California


Try Trixie at Genesis Mortgage for hard money, they are greased now and should go smoothly for you., in the LA area. Please do not name drop though.


Real Estate Investor · Fremont, California


I don't know if I can do this, but since I am not part of this in any way I would think it ok if I give you my sources.

Landmarc Capital & Investment Company
4110 N Scottsdale Road, Ste 330
Scottsdale, AZ 85251
Email: underwriting@landmarccapital.com
Phone : 480-970-8500
Toll-free : 1-888-785-7958
Fax : 480-970-4592

Only Arizona loans

Trimark Funding, Inc.
5101 E. La Palma Ave., Ste. 206,
Anaheim, CA 92807
Phone: 877-695-4900
Fax: 714-701-1036
Mark Reynolds, President
Phone: 877-695-4900
Fax: 714-701-1036
Mark's email - loanman5@aol.com
Stephanie - Phone: 877-695-4900 X120

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Madison Realty Capital
825 Third Ave, 37th Floor
New York, NY 10022
Phone: 1(888)-261-6234
Fax: 1(646)-219-5643
Email: info@madisonrealtycapital

Only Commercial Loans

AVENTINE FUNDING
Phone 415-839-8444
Ken Baxter - 415-839-7514
ken@aventinefunding.com
www.aventinefunding.com
We are a direct lender with an in-house, private money fund and also work with a number of specialized lenders who understand the risks of lending on commercial real estate and to business owners. We have a wide array of programs that we are currently working with who can offer 30 year amortization, no pre-pay penalites, and up to 75% LTV.
Commercial and NOO lending in California with MINIMUM loan amounts $420k to $1M

I also have a list of 52 Hard Money Lenders.

Ken


Developer · San Diego, California


Try the Norris Group in Riverside. I have done about 4 loans with them lately and I know they do LA.
Look them up online and ask for Craig.




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