Skip to content
×
Pro Members Get Full Access
Succeed in real estate investing with proven toolkits that have helped thousands of aspiring and existing investors achieve financial freedom.
$0 TODAY
$32.50/month, billed annually after your 7-day trial.
Cancel anytime
Find the right properties and ace your analysis
Market Finder with key investor metrics for all US markets, plus a list of recommended markets.
Deal Finder with investor-focused filters and notifications for new properties
Unlimited access to 9+ rental analysis calculators and rent estimator tools
Off-market deal finding software from Invelo ($638 value)
Supercharge your network
Pro profile badge
Pro exclusive community forums and threads
Build your landlord command center
All-in-one property management software from RentRedi ($240 value)
Portfolio monitoring and accounting from Stessa
Lawyer-approved lease agreement packages for all 50-states ($4,950 value) *annual subscribers only
Shortcut the learning curve
Live Q&A sessions with experts
Webinar replay archive
50% off investing courses ($290 value)
Already a Pro Member? Sign in here

Join Over 3 Million Real Estate Investors

Create a free BiggerPockets account to comment, participate, and connect with over 3 million real estate investors.
Use your real name
By signing up, you indicate that you agree to the BiggerPockets Terms & Conditions.
The community here is like my own little personal real estate army that I can depend upon to help me through ANY problems I come across.
Tax Liens & Mortgage Notes
All Forum Categories
Followed Discussions
Followed Categories
Followed People
Followed Locations
Market News & Data
General Info
Real Estate Strategies
Landlording & Rental Properties
Real Estate Professionals
Financial, Tax, & Legal
Real Estate Classifieds
Reviews & Feedback

User Stats

1,110
Posts
1,103
Votes
Nick B.
  • Investor
  • North Richland Hills, TX
1,103
Votes |
1,110
Posts

2nd position note - is this a good deal or not?

Nick B.
  • Investor
  • North Richland Hills, TX
Posted Feb 3 2014, 09:10

Hello all,

A couple of days ago I saw a 2nd position note offered for sale with the following parameters:

Property FMV: $178000
Property location: Illinois
1st mortgage balance: $138000
2nd mortgage balance: $46000
Payment on 2nd: $293
Payment left: 357
Note sales price: $22900
12 months IRR: 14.6%

At first I got excited about 14% return and equity backing the note ($178K-$138K=$40K but the price of the note is $23K, hence $17K equity) but then I did some calculations and found out that the actual ROI is slightly over 5% compounded over ~30 years. In essence, this note has the same payoff as a hypothetical 30yr bond with 5% coupon bought at par value. Not much considering that the interest rates may rise in the next 30 years.

Granted, this note may get refinanced or paid off a lot sooner than 30 years and I heard of average time being ~10 years. That brings expected ROI to 7.8%/year. Still waiting for 10 years until a payoff is a long time.

Another thing I did not like about this note is the property state. It is a judicial state and it takes 12-15 months to foreclose there.

So, here are the questions to the notes investors out there:

What do you think about this note?
Would you buy it or not and why?
Is this note priced too high, too low, or just right?
Is the note term (30 years in this case) an important or minor factor to decide if a note is a good investment?

Thanks
Nick

Loading replies...