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Real Estate Investor · Baltimore, Maryland


What: Note that was created almost a year ago (10 months or so). One-year balloon with no payments. Due in 2 months. I suspect the note holder is looking to sell since he is afraid the borrower (a relative) won't be able to pay. The noteholder didn't run credit score since he was selling to a close relative.

Property is valued at 90-95k (at today's conservative prices)
Note is for 70k.
Good area, not sure about the condition, but I suspect it needs cosmetics (about 10-15k).

I haven't spoke with the owner about his numbers or expectations, but in order for me to bird-dog this deal, what kind of numbers (purchase price that is) are we talking here?
My thinking is likely scenario is foreclosing on the loan. That is 5k. Fixing it - another 15k. Holding, closing, realtors fees - another 15k. My finder's fee 3k. Gross profit for the investor - at least 20%, that is 20k. Thus I am at around 30k to offer for the note. Does it make sense at all?



What other information is needed to complete the picture?
Thanks in advance.
All help is appreciated.


Note Investor · Pasadena, California


$30,000 is being generous. You should not have to compensate the note holder for being a dummy. He created a note with very bad terms. At this point I am pretty sure he would be happy to get anything.

When you buy a note, you're typically looking for the income stream and you should be able to calculate the ROI. In this case, it sounds like you're anticipating foreclosure. Therefore, I would treat this note as a non-performing one.

I think the 1st thing you need to do is find out more about the "payor" (even though he hasn't really paid anything yet).

Credit score? Job situation? Is it owner-occupied?

From there you should be able to make a better decision as to whether to move forward or not.

Small_logoLoc R., Individual/Private Note Buyer
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Real Estate Investor · ten mile, Tennessee


You have the cart before the horse.
When a note is foreclosed upon there is no more note and you own the property.

If an invstor purchases the note for 30k and is not repaid, then he will have to foreclose on the note. Thus you would have to add the 5k foreclosure to the purchase price. We are now up to 35k. Then you fix it up for selling 10-15k. We are up to 50k invested in property. Holding costs, realtors fees add another 15k. Up to 65k now.

Most RE today can be purchased at 50 to 70 ARV which you say is 90k. So the investor would be paying 65k for a property he probably can purchase outright for 45k. That would be a 20K loss to the investor.


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