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I ran across a property that was vacant w/a phone # on the front porch. I called the # and spoke with the owner. She was very willing to talk with me. She even gave me the combination to the door to look around. I know it will need some rehab work, how much not sure until I go look around. She never lived in the house. She originally bought the house to rehab, but ran out of money and time. She lives out of town and sounds eager to get off the property. She wants $85000 for the home, but seemed unsure when she gave me the price. She says it is negotiable. I can tell by 1st glance it is not a $85,000 house just from the neighborhood alone. It is not the projects, but neighborhood is obviously a low income. I tried to run comps but no house have sold within a 2 mile radius according to Eppraisel. Eppraiel says it worth $113,000. I know that's not accurate. The closet house they had that was sold was about 8 miles away. Houses around the area look like they run no higher than $60000. I can't afford for an appraiser to look at it for me if I am not sure if I am going to buy it or not. This is when it pays to have connections. I am not sure how much equity she has in the house or what she paid for it in (tax records say had 4 purchase dates, but only gave the price for 2004/$52500 order to make a reasonable offer for me. I will go look inside today to get a rough estimate of what it will cost to rehab. Can anyone offer any advice? What should I do next?

Leroy


· Ridgeland, Mississippi


My method works for me but may not be the best way, I am sure others have better ones. I get the appraisers that I use on a regular basis to run me comps for the property. Normally they can get me within 2-4k of the actual value based off of what I tell them about the house.
Now the secret is getting them to do this when you are calling them with 10 or so houses a week. What I do, (and you need to check your state appraisal laws to see if this is legal) is pay them $10 every time I call them. Doesn't sound like much but when they do 10 or so a week and turn in an invoice for $100 or more, it becomes significant to them. Plus it shows them that you respect their time and effort unlike the other investors that call them 20 times a week and never compensate them.
Other than that,just low ball her and hope it works!



I just found out through some research that she purchased the house in 2007 for $42,000. I am going over to look at the house on the inside to see how much rehab work needs to be done and if any apparent work has been done since the purchase. I am also going to take pictures.


Real Estate Investor · Carter Lake, Iowa


Leroy,

If you are not able to find any comps within 8 miles, I would be extremely cautious about the property you are considering. I have run into this problem in small towns and it can make it extremely difficult to re-sell to end buyers obtaining conventional financing.

Based on the limited information you provided about the area, I would probably only seriously consider purchasing the property if it had really solid cashflow and you were positive you are going to hold it for awhile.

It's just my 2 cents, but there is probably a good reason that the lady is so willing to unload it, aside from not having money to rehab it. Don't get caught up in what she paid for it, what the assessed value is, etc. etc. The only things that matter are what the property is worth NOW and what you can purchase it for. Obviously consider cashflow (and the risk of getting shot) if it's for buy & hold, and true ARV - repair costs and profit if it's a flip. This will help you determine what the property is truly worth.



After going by the property today, I was surprised that it looked different once the snow had melted away. The neighborhood is not that bad at all. It is an older neighborhood. All the houses were built in the 1960s, but are in pretty decent shape. I took pictures of the exterior and interior of the house and the neighborhood. The neighborhood is pretty quiet. I took about 6 addresses down on the street and found out 2/3 of them were last sold in 2001 ranging from $60K to $80K. One sold for $158K in 2008. The house is in good shape on the inside. I can tell some work has been done. It has 2.5 baths and 3 bedrooms. One bedroom can be easily made into two. Nice refinished hard woods and fireplace, a built in bar. The major work would be on the exterior (a little landscaping, updated windows & shutters, porch doors, new mailbox etc) I would replace all the bedroom doors also, and new tile. The carpet looks pretty new. After crunching the #, this is what I plan to do.

Asking price $85K(neg)
ARV ($80K)
rehab $ ($15-$20K)
other fees & closing ($6000)
Offer ($40K)
If she rejects (I will offer $45K)
If she rejects (maybe a poss sub 2/depending on equity & loan structure)
If she rejects (let her know my offer will be there if she changes her mind)
Walk away.



I added some photos of the house to my gallery called Deals. See if it is worth it.


Real Estate Investor · Ohio


What do you plan on doing with the property? An acquisition cost of $66K (40+20+6) on an $80K house is far too high to be a good investment. That's 83%!

Mike



I plan on buying and holding, possibly a little cashflow, and looking to sell when the market returns.


Real Estate Investor · Wheat Ridge, Colorado


What's the rent?

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


Real Estate Investor · Baroda, Michigan


I have a realtor that i use to get me all of the comps in the area. She doesnt pull data from 8 miles away.

do a lot of research on this area before you buy in. some areas are just slow moving areas (cute enough but not great schools, etc)...



The rent is $875 mo


Real Estate Investor · Wheat Ridge, Colorado


If you apply the 50% rule, and want $100 in cash flow, the most you can pay is about $25K.

Rent $875
Expenses $437.50
NOI: $437.50
Cash flow: $100
Max Pmt: $337.50
Max Loan: $50,728 (7%, 30, year)
Rehab: $20,000
Other costs: $6,000
Max price: $24,728

Not sure where that $6K in fees comes from. Points and closing costs won't be that much

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC



Jon,

Just curious; how did you determine the max price?

Will


Real Estate Investor · Wheat Ridge, Colorado


it's just a "present value" calculation. The "PV" function in Excel. Plug in the rate term and payment and you get the present value. That's the loan amount. The payment is a negative value.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC




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