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Accountant · Tustin, California


I did a walk through of an REO today and it was in decent shape, but the broker said it probably wont be able to go to anyone but a cash buyer because of MOLD!

Any ideas on how much it costs to deal with the mold problem or is it a deal breaker and I should walk away?

The smell was terrible by the way.


SFR Investor · Rancho Cucamonga, California


Usually, it's not that expensive to fix. First you have to find out why the mold is happening and remedy that. After that, you are replacing dry wall and possibly studs to get rid of the existing mold.

Do you have pictures of the damage? Cash only properties are the right ones for investors to pursue because most buyers can't pay cash.

Where is it? If it's a good deal I'll take a look.


Accountant · Tustin, California


The place is in Garden Grove.

The BPO came in today at 345,000 and it comps out at about 360,000 so I didn't bother looking into it any further as it is not going to yield and rehabbing profits.

I didn't have my camera on me because it was a last minute decision to go see it so I don't have pictures.

Might be a good rental if you are looking for that. I don't know the rents in that area but I could find out if you like.

Is there a difference between mold and black mold?


SFR Investor · Long Beach, California


Originally posted by Darren Morrow

Is there a difference between mold and black mold?


There is toxic mold and then regular mold and most of them are black. Mold removal is a pretty big scam so be careful. Costs for removal can run in the tens of thousands and that doesn't include reframing or new drywall. If you have it tested, make sure you use an independent lab that is not affiliated with any type of mold remediation company. Also make sure to tell the lab you will not be using anyone they refer for the same either. That is a conflict of interest.

Being a contractor, I've dealt with this on occasion before. I've had the same sample tested by four different people at once and got different answers from all four people. It's not an exact science.


Real Estate Investor · Indiana, Indiana


Question, just because the broker said mold, is there any proof that anyone else did?


Rehabber · Grand Blanc, Michigan


Properties with mold are the ones I go after!

Mold is the new asbestos. Everyone has a fear of something in housing...this go around it happens to be mold. Maybe next time it will be radon gas.


Real Estate Investor · Denver, Colorado


The BPO came in today at 345,000 and it comps out at about 360,000 so I didn't bother looking into it any further as it is not going to yield and rehabbing profits.

I didn't have my camera on me because it was a last minute decision to go see it so I don't have pictures.

Might be a good rental if you are looking for that. I don't know the rents in that area but I could find out if you like.

$345K houses make bad rentals.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


Real Estate Investor · Ocala, Florida


I guess it must be a little different here in the heat. But, mold, is kind of a bad word here in Florida.


Rehabber · Grand Blanc, Michigan


Originally posted by crosswind_
I guess it must be a little different here in the heat. But, mold, is kind of a bad word here in Florida.



It's a bad word everywhere. That's why properties with mold make great rehabs. No other buyers want to touch them.

Real Estate Investor · Atlanta, Georgia


To add to the other responses, mold really isn't that big of a deal (generally)...

You want to make sure to get it remediated correctly (i.e., make sure you get all of it and treat with a biocide/antimicrobial if necessary), and if it the mold was bad, it might be worth getting the house tested for mold after the remediation. But once you determine the source of the mold, it's not too difficult to remediate both the issue and the existing mold. Once that's done, you should be okay.

I look at mold just like I look at an old roof, cracked windows or dirty carpet -- it's going to require bringing in a knowledgeable contractor or two, paying some money, and getting the work done. As long as you're not doing the work yourself, there's really no difference between remediating mold and installing a toilet...

Btw, in some states you will be required to disclose the mold to future buyers, but if you had the work done by a reputable contractor, you should also have a warranty that will ease the buyer's minds...


SFR Investor · Rancho Cucamonga, California


Originally posted by Darren Morrow
The BPO came in today at 345,000 and it comps out at about 360,000 so I didn't bother looking into it any further as it is not going to yield and rehabbing profits.

Ya, you'd need to be in the $260's if there are next to no repairs required, so it seems far away from a deal.


Contractor · Commerce Twp, Michigan


We are a new member in Michigan. We kill mold in properties using ozone. Our work is guaranteed. It kills the mold on the surfaces and the spores and microtoxins in the air. We have saved investers hundreds to thousands of dollars. Look for a company that uses ozone in your location.


Accountant · Tustin, California


Originally posted by Denise LaFlamme
We are a new member in Michigan. We kill mold in properties using ozone. Our work is guaranteed. It kills the mold on the surfaces and the spores and microtoxins in the air. We have saved investers hundreds to thousands of dollars. Look for a company that uses ozone in your location.


Denise, I'm curious to find out how ozone works. Does it not require you to go into the drywall ? How does it save money over other form of mold removal?

Real Estate Investor · Denver, Colorado


I'd like to hear more about that, too. Is there an EPA certified process or some such? How does the ozone get into the cavities in the walls? For that matter, how does it get to the mold that's inside the drywall? Even if ozone does kill mold spores and growth, how can it kill want it can't get at?

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


Contractor · Commerce Twp, Michigan


Hello Darren and Jon;

In regards to your questions concerning ozone. Just to be clear I own a service in Michigan that kills mold and odors from properties by appying a shock treatment of ozone. Ozone is FDA opproved, EPA registered, Certified Organic, and the generators we use are UL approved. We use UV light generators that take the oxygen from the air, splits the atom and fills the property with a ozone cloud. Anywhere the air goes the ozone goes. The ozone will not penetrate the drywall, however, if you have mold between the drywall you have oxygen getting in the wall through crackes. The ozone will find the cracks and seep into the wall, killing the mold.

The ozone kills the mold, however it does not clean, the mold is turned into a powder that can be washed off the wall or vacuumed. The spores and the microtoxins are dead also. You still may have to replace the drywall if the mold has damaged the materials.

During the treatment the property must be vacate of people and animals, because the levels of ozone generated are unsafe. However, ozone turns back to oxygen in about 15 minutes. We treat the property for 24 hours to kill mold.

We save investors money because we do not remediate. The lastest attic we treated, the investor got quotes for $8000.00 to remediate, we charged $500.00.

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Hope this helps.
Denise


Private Money Lender · Los Angeles, California


Originally posted by Mark Yuschak
Properties with mold are the ones I go after!

Mold is the new asbestos. Everyone has a fear of something in housing...this go around it happens to be mold. Maybe next time it will be radon gas.

Ditto, Mark. Mold is gold. I've bought properties that were so wet you could put your finger through the basement drywall. A few thousand dollars to seal a foundation, a fungicide like bleach, new insulation and drywall, and you're back in business.

Half the investors I know won't touch a leaky foundation. The other half won't touch mold. Find a property with both, which is often how the mold got down there in the first place, and the purchase price drops considerably. There's a lot of hype you can take advantage of.

Radon, by the way, is passé. Chinese drywall is rapidly becoming the new mold.

Jeff


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I realize this an older thread, but just wanted to jump in with a question in hopes that someone will weigh in.

Does anyone have experience with a cash offer Fannie Mae situation where mold was discovered during the inspection process? With FM, placing a repair dollar amount on the offer as a contingency doesn't work...I have been told that I just have to decide within 10 days whether or not I will move forward to closing. My question is if Fannie might accept a lower offer based on the increased cost to abate the mold and potentially repair any damage to the joists? Anyone have personal experience in this area?

Thanks in advance!


Real Estate Investor · Atlanta, Georgia


Originally posted by Julie Taylor
My question is if Fannie might accept a lower offer based on the increased cost to abate the mold and potentially repair any damage to the joists? Anyone have personal experience in this area?

Personally, I hate working with Fannie Mae, but with respect to this particular situation, they are generally pretty reasonable. As long as you come back within the due diligence period with a quote from a qualified mold remediation company, and as long as there wasn't a lot of competition for the property, in my experience, FNMA will often be willing to negotiate a lower price.

That said, make sure you do it within the due diligence period. FNMA REO addendums are notoriously seller-favored, and once the due diligence period is past, you are pretty much stuck buying the property and they won't negotiate with you.


General Contractor · buena park, California


we just finihed up a project in long beach, Ca it was about 1300 sq ft. It had alot of mold from leaky pipes , we removed all the drywall in the entire house for about 600 bucks all new drywall installed with texture for 3,100. So it wasnt that bad , We had to re-wire the house anyway so my electrician lowered his price for me as well, worked out fine


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Originally posted by J Scott
As long as you come back within the due diligence period with a quote from a qualified mold remediation company, and as long as there wasn't a lot of competition for the property, in my experience, FNMA will often be willing to negotiate a lower price.


There was no activity at all on this property which had been on the market for over 180 days. We have been through a couple of counter offer cycles but we have now been told that another realtor's clients had an interest in it also. We have another 5 days in our 10 day inspection/decision period. The estimate I have is for $3000 to rip out all the old crawlspace insulation, take care of the mold, replace the insulation and add a vapor barrier and two fans to increase the circulation. It's not a huge deal, but I kind of would like to go back and try to get some money off. I just don't know whether that is even an option.

Thanks for your help.

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