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Ok-so just learning about wholesaling...

How does this private financing work?

Let's say I find a nice property for 50,000 and the value is 65,000. Will a private lender see the value and thus lend 50,000 for the buy? What is the usual terms for this sort of thing?

Also-if the wholesaler acquires private money and cannot reassign a contract within a certain amount of time, what happens? Is the wholesaler screwed? In other words, what do wholesalers do in this situation?

-Bryan


Real Estate Investor · Wheat Ridge, Colorado


Wholesaling is just a form of brokering, and the wholesaler would not normally actually buy the property. You assign the contract, do a double close, or buy in an entity and then sell the entity. So, you would not normally need to have funding to actually buy the property.

You may need "transactional funding" to allow you to buy the property and then immediately sell the property and repay the transactional funder. Immediately as in both transactions occur the same day, or, a few days apart. Typically, the transactional lender requires you have the buyer lined up and ready to go before they will make the loan.

With private money (i.e., someone you personally know, friends and family), you can negotiate anything you want.

If you were to actually buy the property and couldn't resell it, then you would have to keep it.

If a property is worth $65K, fixed up, then you're going to need to buy for quite a bit less than $50K. The usual rule of thumb for a fix and flipper is 70% of ARV. That's $45,500 for a $65K ARV. Then you subtract fixup (that's never $0), your fee, and all the costs of the transaction. I would assume you want to make at least a few grand for your efforts. If the place needs $5K (paint, carpets, and a few small repairs), you want $3K and you have another $2K in costs, you can pay no more than about $35K.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC



How can you buy a property without funding? Do you find the property first and then contact your possible funding sources?



Do you acquire control over a property without actually buying it? When you say assign, what does this mean?


Real Estate Investor · Altus, Oklahoma


Originally posted by Bryan Patton
Do you acquire control over a property without actually buying it? When you say assign, what does this mean?

When you assign you get the property under contract then you assign the interest of that contract to an end buyer for an assignment fee.

You don't buy property but you control the property with the contract you signed.



So what is the risk for the wholesaler? Is there a clause to "get out" or something?

If a seller gives the wholesaler control, via a contract, who has the burden of risk if the property doesn't sell?



This has to be basic for me. I know nothing so any talk beyond basic will confuse me.


Real Estate Investor · Olivehurst, California


Hey, Bryan. Wholesaling using assignment, broken down into basic steps, should look something like this:

1. Negotiate with seller, get the property under contract (Purchase & Sale Agreement). There is usually an inspection clause (or something similar) that allows you to get out if you can't find an end buyer.

2. Assign your Purchase & Sale Agreement to your end buyer, usually a cash buyer, using an Assignment of Contract.

3. Seller and end buyer go to closing, you make your money. Your money is the difference between what you got the property under contract for with the seller and what the end buyer is paying at the end of it.

You are essentially flipping the contract here, not necessarily the property directly. And as for your "get out" clause, that's what the inspection or partner approval clause is for. Just make sure you have one in your contract.

Hope this helps.


Real Estate Investor · Commack, New York


Derek - If the end buyer is a retail buyer that is getting a conventional mortgage (for a property that is in nice shape) can you still just assign your purchase & sale contract over to them for an assignment fee? (My question is that typically O.K. with the retail buyer's lender?) Are lenders out there O.K. with seeing an Assignment Fee on a HUD1?

If not, how is it suggested to get paid?
I have a specific deal going, and my assignment fee will only be $5,000 so it's not excessive, and the retail buyers would be getting a house with at least $10K of equity in it, so I know there won't be appraisal problems.

If a simple Assignment of Contract will not work, has anyone ever heard of filing an Affadavit (or Memorandum) of Contract with the local county clerk, and then invoicing the seller for "Release of Equitable Interest" or "Release of Contract"? An invoice directed to the seller would be sent to the title company closing the transaction and would be paid at closing.

I currently have the property under an Option Contract.

Any advice would be appreciated!


Real Estate Investor · Wheat Ridge, Colorado


If the end buyer is a retail buyer, they need to be prepared to pay your assignment fee out of pocket.

If you do an assignment, the lender will use the price you're paying as the "value", unless the appraisal is lower.

If you do a double close, the whole deal may blow up when the lender finds out you (the seller) is not on title.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


If the end buyer is a retail buyer, then you are NOT wholesaling, you are retailing.
In such a case, your end buyer (retail) would most likely not be all-cash and therefore, you would have to close your buy transaction with cash (your own or borrowed funds), then wait for the sell transaction to your retail buyer to close. This can take some time.

Wholesaling is not easy as gurus make it out to be. It requires a lot of skill, information, team members and much more.

To wholesale properly you need:
Large buyers list of all-cash buyers
Network of connections to provide inventory at great discounts
Cash money funds to close when need be
At least one "out" in your contract such as, "purchase contingent upon final approval from partner"
Know-how to evaluate repair costs accurately
Ability to provide proof of funds if dealing in REO's.

This is not a process that should be taken lightly nor should you enter into any contract without first gaining the knowledge necessary to do it right.

Small_barnardenterprisesWill Barnard, Barnard Enterprises, Inc.
E-Mail: info@barnardenterprises.com
Website: http://www.barnardenterprises.com
info@barnardenterprises.com


Real Estate Investor · Commack, New York


Thanks Jon and Will. I can't double close on this because I only am getting a small fee, which wouldn't even cover the closing costs (transfer taxes, transactional funding, etc.) so I am not considering that as an option.

Have any wholesalers out there heard of the method using the "Release of Equitable Interest"? Would be interested to hear if anyone had closed their sales to retail buyers that way.



Derek (or others):

If I am a seller, why in the world would I allow a buyer to sign a purchase/sales agreement with me with a clause that allows them to walk away if an end buyer cannot be found?

How does the conversation go between the buyer and seller?


Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


Originally posted by Bryan Patton
Derek (or others):

If I am a seller, why in the world would I allow a buyer to sign a purchase/sales agreement with me with a clause that allows them to walk away if an end buyer cannot be found?

How does the conversation go between the buyer and seller?

Great question. Typically, when dealing with private sellers, they are not sophisticated enough to realize what the clause is for. Also, inspection clauses are very standard and with enough time in them, 17 days or more, you can use that time to locate a buyer. Key factor to being a good wholesaler is to have a large database of buyers and shop for properties meeting their criteria. Doing so will almost guarantee a buyer.

@Dawn, I think a key factor you have missed here is that the deal you have presented is not a deal at all and as such, almost impossibe to flip. No investor would pay over $50k for a property only valued at $65k. To properly wholesale, you need to contract at a much larger discount.
If the exit value (after repairs) is $100k, and repairs are $10k, you would need to contract at $60k just to have enough spread to do the deal yourself and that would be tight. If you wanted to wholesale and make $4k on it, you would need to contract it at $56k, then assign the contract.

Small_barnardenterprisesWill Barnard, Barnard Enterprises, Inc.
E-Mail: info@barnardenterprises.com
Website: http://www.barnardenterprises.com
info@barnardenterprises.com



Will-

What happens when the buyer says "What does this clause mean?" When you actually explain it, you might have a nice interesting conversation on your hands. how does that work?


Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


Originally posted by Bryan Patton
Will-

What happens when the buyer says "What does this clause mean?" When you actually explain it, you might have a nice interesting conversation on your hands. how does that work?

I would say that I or any other investor would certainly not buy your property otr any other property without sufficient time to complete my due diligence. Would you buy a property from me without performing any due diligence?

Small_barnardenterprisesWill Barnard, Barnard Enterprises, Inc.
E-Mail: info@barnardenterprises.com
Website: http://www.barnardenterprises.com
info@barnardenterprises.com



Will,

Oops-I meant the seller. What if the sellers asks what the clause means? How does the conversation work between the wholesaler person and the seller if this occurs?


Real Estate Investor · Commack, New York


Hi Will,

I think you misunderstood my original post. I wasn't looking to wholesale this deal to an investor, as there isn't nearly enough spread and the seller (and investor) has already fully rehabbed the property. I put this deal out to my mortgage broker contacts to find a retail end buyer from the start. (They put it out to their clients who are looking in that area and are pre-approved to buy for the offered price range.)

The numbers on my specific deal is the house is worth about $455K and I have an option on it for $440K, so an end buyer would be getting it $10K less than market value for a fully rehabbed property after I get paid my $5K fee.

Good deals in this area (Brooklyn) are still moving pretty well for discounted properties.

In any case, hopefully someone will have some feedback on the method I was inquiring about or offer some different options for closing with retail end buyers.


Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


@Bryan - The conversation I mentioned was in reply to the "seller" I just now realized your wrote "buyer". So my answer (as the wholesaler) was the response to the "seller of the property.

@Dawn - Understood. If you have an "option" to pruchase property and that option is assignable, then simply assign it to your buyer for your $5k fee. Typically, that $5k would need to be paid by your buyer in cash and not part of their financing as cost of the purchase. Hope that helps.

Small_barnardenterprisesWill Barnard, Barnard Enterprises, Inc.
E-Mail: info@barnardenterprises.com
Website: http://www.barnardenterprises.com
info@barnardenterprises.com



Ok-I just don't understand how wholesalers get away with buying at 70% ARV when a seller wants to sell for as close to appraised value as possible. And I don't understand how sellers can read a clause like that and not figure it out!




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